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Strong vs Weak

Reading this post brought this to my mind:

 

Nietzsche: Freedom from ressentiment, enlightenment over ressentiment –who knows the extent to which I ultimately owe thanks to my protracted sickness for this too! The problem is not exactly simple: one has to have experienced it from a state of strength and a state of weakness. If anything whatever has to be admitted against being sick, being weak, it is that in these conditions the actual curative instinct, that is to say the defensive and offensive instinct in man becomes soft. One does not know how to get free of anything, one does not know how to have done with anything, one does not know how to thrust back – everything hurts. Men and things come importunately close, events strike too deep, the memory is a festering wound. Being sick is itself a kind of ressentiment. – Against this the invalid has only one great means of cure – I call it Russian fatalism, that fatalism without rebellion with which a Russian soldier for whom the campaign has become too much at last lies down in the snow. No longer to take anything at all, to receive anything, to take anything into oneself – no longer to react at all…

The great rationality of this fatalism, which is not always the courage to die but can be life-preservative under conditions highly dangerous to life, is reduction of the metabolism, making it slow down, a kind of will to hibernation. A couple of steps further in this logic and one has the fakir who sleeps for weeks on end in a grave… Because one would use oneself up too quickly if one reacted at all, one no longer reacts: this is the logic. And nothing burns one up quicker than the affects of ressentiment. Vexation, morbid susceptibility, incapacity for revenge, the desire, the thirst for revenge, poison-brewing in any sense – for one who is exhausted this is certainly the most disadvantageous kind of reaction: it causes a rapid expenditure of nervous energy, a morbid accretion of excretions, for example of gall into the stomach.

Ressentiment is the forbidden in itself lot the invalid –his evil: unfortunately also his most natural inclination. – This was grasped by that profound physiologist Buddha. His ‘religion’, which one would do better to call a system of hygiene so as not to mix it up with such pitiable things as Christianity, makes its effect dependent on victory over ressentiment: to free the soul of that – first step to recovery. ‘Not by enmity is enmity ended, by friendship is enmity ended’: this stands at the beginning of Buddha’s teaching – it is not morality that speaks thus, it is physiology that speaks thus. – Ressentiment, born of weakness, to no one more harmful than to the weak man himself – in the opposite case, where a rich nature is the presupposition, a superfluous feeling to stay master of which is almost the proof of richness. He who knows the seriousness with which my philosophy has taken up the struggle against the feelings of vengefulness and vindictiveness even into the theory of ‘free will’ – my struggle against Christianity is only a special instance of it – will understand why it is precisely here that I throw the light on my personal bearing, my sureness of instinct in practice.

In periods of décadence I forbade them to myself as harmful; as soon as life was again sufficiently rich and proud for them I forbade them to myself as beneath me. That ‘Russian fatalism’ of which I spoke came forward in my case in the form of clinging tenaciously for years on end to almost intolerable situations, places, residences, company, once chance had placed me in them – it was better than changing them, than feeling them as capable of being changed – than rebelling against them… In those days I took it deadly amiss if I was disturbed in this fatalism, if I was forcibly awakened from it – and to do this was in fact every time a deadly dangerous thing. – To accept oneself as a fate, not to desire oneself ‘different’ – in such conditions this is great rationality itself.

Perhaps you can relate?

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by Edvard

 I sense a theme running across your posts, and that's a major inferiority complex that makes you bitter and passive aggressive towards me and other posters here.

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by Raven

My take on what makes a person's overall character strong has mostly to do with how willing they are to take risks even if there is a possibility they may lose. How many battles won without arrogance- how many lost without feeling defeated or giving up... ultimately it is for me, about how a person perseveres despite any odds against them. 

Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. Mirage believes emotions make you weak... how can emotions handicap you at all if you are a truly strong person? They can't. How are you a strong person so long as you always play the game that you know you are likely to win, and stay away from the ones you are potentially capable of failing at? That is the same as not playing at all just because it may be hard for you, in my opinion. He says he chooses to believe in nothing. Why? Because there's a risk in looking like a fool if you believe in something that ends up failing you?

That is a weak way to approach life in my opinion. Does that make Mirage a weak person? I don't believe he is weak overall... but I do think he may want to change that approach or it will only keep him from the potential strength he has. You can't stand on a mountain and declare you're a great warrior for taking the air out of your enemies tires while they sleep. Clever as you may feel for finding a safe route to get ahead of him for the moment... you haven't won at anything... and you really won't know how capable you are of winning until you face your enemy while he's wide awake and within reach, and try to kick his ass.

Strength in general is a bit abstract and not very clear. As you say yourself, to be really fair, we should talk about strengths, and only if we mention regarding what. When I call someone "strong" overall/character wise, I mostly refer to their ability to deal with hardships. There has to be an external element that needs to be overcome to judge someone's strength, and the more challenging that element is, the more strength is needed to confront it successfully. Perseverance against all odds is a good example of strength.

That said, I don't put the = mark between strength and success in general. As you said, two people can reach the same goal (top of the mountain) in different ways, one via foot, the other one via private jet. Some people have everything handed to them on a silver platter, others have to fight tooth and nail for even the little things usually taken for granted, like walking again after an accident.

Also, while strength and bravery go hand in hand, that's not always the case either. Going through with something against all odds is a matter of bravery more than strength. It's also a matter of confidence, and that confidence is either justified by a past history of success and skills obtained from those struggles, or is just crazy recklessness :D Not sure the last one is that good to have, but it has its benefits when it doesn't completely destroy you.

Just some scattered ideas, it's kinda late. I know the original post is more about emotions and mirage acting all bad ass robot about them, which is always funny to see here. In my experience people who hate/have a disgust for emotions are those who fear their emotions the most because they are most prone to fuck-ups because of them. Healthy emotional reactions to life's various circumstances are definitely a strength instead of a weakness, and millions of years of evolution kinda back me up here.

 

by Systematic

Would you consider someone numbing themselves to everything as strong? 

How do you "numb yourself to everything"? You make it sound like it's a conscious act, but I've only heard it in the context of PTSD or shitty depression. I know plenty about "numbing" yourself to pain, and it involves a lot of dealing with the pain itself besides a strong will. Even so, the pain is still felt, it just doesn't bother as much. So please, tell us how you numbed yourself emotionally to everything.

 

by thesugargirl

depends. emotions don't necessarily make you weak, but more susceptible to certain types of manipulation whether you're mentally strong or not. e.g. 'i was raped! i had a miscarriage! i was touched as a child' are the most common i come across. i think sociopaths are harder to manipulate because they keep their eye on how much they are getting out of a situation, but it can still happen. academic intelligence means nothing really..i think manipulation has more to do with acting ability, which means the more delusional you are, the more convincing you are. at the same time, the more delusional you are, the easier it is to manipulate you.

Yeah I agree that the most common forms of manipulation target emotions, starting from children crying when they're babies to get a reaction from mother or others to take care of them. I certainly wouldn't want the mother of my kids to be fucked up enough to be invulnerable to that sort of manipulation, it would be unnatural.

Anyway, yeah, let's say emotions make you more vulnerable to manipulation. Say something bad happens to you because of that. Assuming you're not dead, you learn from it and move on, being more cautious in the future. I'd rather take that chance and deal with the bad side effects of emotions, than not experience emotions at all. They stimulate the brain and give color to life, which would be boring as fuck otherwise in my opinion.

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The thirst is strong with this one...

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by thesugargirl

i guess emotions can make you vulnerable to manipulation (esp through guilt). i think cowards are the weakest kind of people.

 I kind of want to sleep with you now after reading this post. We'll done

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now..yea right

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