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I don't understand how people can look life, such a broad, complex subject and decide it must be pointless. 

Is it too much to humble yourself under the enormity of this plain of existence and everything it encompasses?

As when man first tries to make sense of something so vast like the ancients did to the night stars, it's probably far beyond your comprehension.

"I don't understand how people can look life, such a broad, complex subject and decide it must be pointless."

But pointlessness is where the beauty can be.

It depends on what one thinks a soul is worth.

If the harsh truth is better than a comforting lie, then tell me, why are you so miserable? If you'll indulge me in telling you a little about my beliefs (don't worry, this isn't a conversion thing) and then I'll explain how it has to do with what you've talked about.

A little about me first, I'm a Sociopath/Borderline, so I have a somewhat strange brain, I generally have a detatched sense of empathy that I have to remember to consciously call to mind, sometimes I don't feel empathy even when I am thinking about it and sometimes, most rarely, I do have spontaneous empathy, like non-Sociopaths. I have thought many times about the topics you've spoken of here, all of them actually, at great length and from most angles. I am a strong believer in freethought, though I don't take it as far as some/most in that I will defend the nonexistance of things that I cannot logically disprove (Ie:  deity-beings might exist, as, technically, might the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but the FSM loses major points because its constituent parts -spaghetti, meatballs, sauce- are man-made.).
I started out life in the Christian machine but became disillusioned with that by the time I was seven or eight (I walked into a new age store called Angels And Dolphins and the woman there was very forthcoming with answers about everything I asked, unlike my pastor. I was hooked on the free flow of knowledge and the respect for my questions.). Since then I've been an agnostic, but part of me that I can't quite identify (maybe fear) refuses to let go of theism. I don't believe in Christianity, (per se, but I'll get to that) but I consider myself something of a Pagan.  I've had many crises of faith and I've outright cursed the Gods and abandoned my beliefs, but I still couldn't ever to that extra step and make myself believe that there is no divine being of any kind. I feel like the sense of something more is inside me, separate from my logical mind, separate from even my illogical, religious/theistic mind. I don't know what this is, again, I readily admit it could be nothing but fear, but it doesn't feel like it, not even remotely.

I believe that there is a big, amorphous, who the fuck knows what, that exists and created the universe. I just don't get the whole universe out of nowhere idea, it makes a million times less sense to my cause-and-effect brain than a deity. Where did the deity come from? A time paradox, we create it later in the future and carry it to the beginning in the TARDIS, Idk, but at least it's a cause more believable than coincidence, lol. I don't believe in spontaneous universe creation, a being is more believable to come from thin air than a universe. This is just one of those things you'll believe one side or the other on. shrug
But I digress, there is a big Goddy-God thing that created (what I theorize to be a multi-layered torus-shaped universe with a singularity in the "center" that is constantly in flux with stuff going into it and stuff coming out of it at the other side like a worm hole, which explains the motion of the universe over time, as well as explaining the layers of M-theory, time, gravity disparities and a whole bunch of other shit. =P My own little theory of everything.) and set into motion, kind of like a big ass Rube-Goldberg thing that runs itself, which is why there are observable workings, rather than the hands-on micro-managing approach many religions believe in.  I believe that for whatever reason, we have a sense of this thing, which is why so many people find deities so easy to believe in and so hard to abandon. I also believe that we aren't equipped to properly understand the nature of this thing, much like a parasite cannot understand the nature of us, but like us, might, if equipped with some level of observational and introspective ability, be able to sense the presence, at least in an abstract way. I believe that the things we call "Gods", from Vishnu to Yahweh to Thor and Anubis etc, are some sort of maybe tulpa-like manefestations of the bigger god-thing. An interface, of sorts.  I believe that they can only effect those who put stock in them, only Christians go to Hell, only Hindus go to Nirvana etc. Reincarnation happens for those who believe in it, Atheists rot in the ground and their soul just sits there mouldering, idk. I READILY admit I'm guessing here. The point will come clear below.

About morals, I believe in the simplest sense, that for everything to run the smoothest, in pure self-interest, that the only moral we need is this:

As long as you're not fucking up someone else's day or life, do whatever the fuck you want.

That's it. That is the one code I live my life by. I have no need for laws, I have no need for commandments or anything else. I feel if everyone lived by this same code then there would be no more wars.
In addition to this I am in favor of environmentally conscious things because we have just the one planet, my chosen beliefs involve earth spirits of one kind or another so that influences it, but in a Sociopathic sense, as I have plans to live forever (there's a rich fucker somewhere working on it right now, I shit you not), or at least a very fucking long time, I believe it is also just in my personal interests to make sure the planet isn't a total shit hole.

These are my beliefs, (and that is the short form), and below is how I came to them, why I choose to have them and how they tie into your topic.

Now,  as you said, we're insignificant in a universe with no deity. With no deity there is no purpose (with one there may be no purpose either, but at least we are the product of something, and that makes the purposelessness a little more bearable, at least in my mind.) and no cause. It is profoundly meaningless. In such a world, then, for a being of higher thought, morality has no place or purpose, and paying it any heed can only stand to distract from the one imperative left in such a barren universe- to serve the self.A mindless animal has impulses that serve the species. A moral-animal (one that has developed empathy) has impulses to serve the species. An atheistic human has no such need to worry about the species, he can worry only about himself, because if life is meaningless, only the self really matters. Life is too short to waste on serving others, and at the very least, too short to waste serving others more than the self. That is where the urge to Capitalism comes from.  Morals are pointless in as much as one can avoid heeding them. Obviously murder and rape are highly risky to freedom, and so it can be exemplified that some illogical/selfless things should be followed at least at a minimum, if for no other reason than roundabout service to the self. Loss/Gain analysis.

To my mind, this then has created a bit of a paradox.  If serving the self is the imperative, then, what purpose does turning away the comfort of less rational beliefs?Hear me out, lol.

If the purpose of a purposeless life is the self, and lies is a comfort to the self, then is not choosing the most comforting lie part of the imperative to the self?The point of life being happiness, then truth should not be a worthy barrier to it.

You believe in science, good. You believe in thought. GOOD. Pursue those, heartily, learn and research and think and examine to your hearts content, in as much depth as you gain enjoyment from. Just leave room for the fantastic as well, because there is literally no reason not to. A person can believe in both simultaneously, so why not?

The only truth, the only KNOWN is the self. The only imperative is the self. Nothing, truly, can be objectively proven (if this makes no sense to you, look up Solipsism.). We just have competing theories, each one just as likely as the last and as unlikely as the next.

So, basically, in a universe where the truth is meaninglessness, then truth itself is meaningless in respect to serving the needs of the self. So, the only logical thing left to do is just believe whatever the fuck makes you most happy and ignore the rest.

At least, that's how I keep from ripping out my eyeballs. =) Good luck in your efforts at the same.

What good does it a man to gain the whole world but to lose his soul?

We're living in tough times... We're living in active history.
This period in time will be forever taught in the history books, so it's understandable that a few elite would like to alter history.

That's why we see little to no mention of the fact that it was the soviets who liberated Autswitz, but yet we see people lying and claiming that it was the Soviet Union that invaded Ukraine and Nazi Germany.

People only care about themselves, people only care about the approval of others... All just to make them feel better about themselves.

Life's meaningless... Everything we think to be true is simply something refined through our senses, and that by our disorientation when confronted with an apparently meaningless world.... Where there is no right or wrong, and it can only be conceived through conventionalism and Preferentialist biological ethics.

We're literally just bags of meet on a piece of dust hurling through space on an orbit with the sun that's just 1 one out of billions, or perhaps INFINITE suns, and we are In a galaxy of just 1 of billions of other galaxies.

It's incredible to think about our insignificance, that's why people tend to over indulge in social relationships... To feel like they have a meaning, a purpose... Same thing applies with religion.

But as it stands, the harsh truth is better than the comforting lie.

And all we can be sure of is that which we are unsure of, and we can only act according to maxims whereby we will it to become universal and in doing so from conventional standards of ethics.

Sure, we have inherent ethics like: Don't kill each other otherwise the species won't survive, and from that extracted ethics that we have applied using our mind... Don't destroy nature because we are dependent upon its existence.

All of this is being trampled under foot by Capitalism, by oligarchy.

Sighs loudly

Why me? Every single day I have to suffer from a feeling inside that I can't identify, like a 16 ton chain strapped around my heart with a padlock as complicated as a maze of a billion ginnels.

(Ginnel is a word native to the Leeds region of the United Kingdom, it refers to a passage, a short cut, a small alleyway.)

I enjoy the feeling, yet I dislike not knowing what it is... Nobody understands, I understand only partly... It feels almost like divinity.

It's incredible, and it entails a pursuit in Science and Serious thought... It's impossible to escape from it.

It's like Love.

Feels like drowning... Never being able to catch a breath Of fresh air. 

Like drowing in air you aren't able to breath. 

It's not depression... It's something for more beautiful, divine and good.

Have you tried to git gud?

What is the point?

What is the point of humbleness?

"Understanding that there are things that are above you allow a learning, student like mentality which leads to a faster and deeper understanding of the current subject."
What's the point of allowing yourself to be the student though, growth? What's the point of growth, self improvement? What's the point of self improvement, confidence? What's the point of confidence, making life easier? What's the point of making life easier, an increased sense of personal comfort? What's the point of personal comfort?

"What's the point" is an adult's version of the "Why" game, it'll potentially never end if you feed it. After enough digging you ask "What's the point of "What's the point"?". In the end all of mine roots to keeping myself distracted and entertained, but even that can be struck with "What's the point".

"The mind of one man cannot encompass enough knowledge to place an accurate judgement on the meaning of life."
That's why we have history and technology, they can possess countless tomes we cannot ourselves hope to possess that we can appropriate into advances upon advances. Once the myth of chaos can be reduced into something we can predict, the Meaning of Life becomes the next logical thing to unravel. Until we can map the future before it happens, we'll be unable to approach the next step beyond personal opinion.

"The complexity of such an abstract question confuses and overwhelms people who cant seem to come to any sort of conclusion and assume it must be nothing."
I don't know if complex abstract questions are quite on the level of overloading the physical senses. For each of those parts as well, they had to reach the extreme instead of experience the extreme all at once, so by your logic even said questions would still carry some weight until they hit a wall, and once they recover there's no reason it couldn't be revisited later. Everything you described becoming overloaded can also recover and resume, and from there they could gain a tolerance so it can take more and more in the future through said exposure.

"It seems more believable to me that the mysteries of life are too complex and the human race, for a fair amount of time won't have any insight on the matter."
And I assume you think that so you can comfort yourself in the safety blanket of the idea that life must have a point. It's rather egotistical for anyone to assume that life must matter, as that's really just a proxy for their own sake so that they can believe they matter from being a part of it. Our nature of questioning the fabric of the universe is uniquely a human problem, and human beings are capable of levels of selfishness no other species can hope to match, insecurities no other species can hope to match. It's really asking "How do I matter?" on a larger scale.

Humanity will undergo a huge shift once chaos can be mapped, possibly to the point of driving some insane once cognitive dissonance jumps into the fray.

When I say 'Divine' you shouldn't take me literally, I've stated this many times before.

Divine, in my view, is something with the characteristics of divinity.
Something profoundly intricate and enigmatic, something beyond human imagination and conception.

Things like the Universe, I'm not a pantheist... This has nothing to do with pantheism.

It's simply the reality, the one truth we can be sure of in our current being.
When it comes to truth, all we can accept to be true is that which we see.
So clinging to Sophistry and other means of explaining Absolutes don't work, because they don't actually confront the absolute... They dismiss it as already inconceivable.... So the idea of a state of being capable of conceiving truths is evidence to support that methodology of achieving the truth.. That perspective of reality.

God does not exist. He doesn't have to exist, when given a model of the universe as we know it today, navigating it via the scientific method, we can explain natural phenomenon as just that, Natural Phenomena.. We can begin to understand and Explain it's cause and effect of being. You can retain the idea of God if you like, but it has no explanatory value... The highest form of rationality is the scientific method, is open mindedness and free thought.

Just like Spaghetti and Meatballs, God is also man made.
People feared and failed to provide truthful explanations for natural phenomena, why the rains that yield crops come at certain times, as though randomly. People
Eventually built the idea that Gods controlled this... This is actually the reason for the Pharaohs of Egypt being Divine in ancient theology.

The Great idolatrous cultures of Egypt and Mesopotamia Closely Reflected their physical environments. Their religion, like that of their neighbours the Hittites and Canaanites, focused on nature. They had no real concept of a single, all powerful creator God. And so they accounted for the vagaries of climate, agricultural events and the geography of the world around them by means of a whole array of Gods.

The distinctive geography of Egypt and Mesopotamia- Particularly the great river systems of the Nile and Tigris/Euphrates- to a large extent determined their contrasting ways of life.

Much of Man's physical environment is of his own making. As Cicero makes Balbus say in his Discourse: 'We enjoy the fruits of the plains and of the mountains, the rivers and the lakes are ours, we sow corn, we plant trees, we fertilise the soil by irrigation. We Confine the rivers and Straighten their courses. By means of our hands we try to create as it were a second world within the world of nature.'

Few areas of the earth have borne more human impact, for good and ill, than the lands of the bible. In this pivotal land bridge connecting the continents of Africa, Asia and Europe, early man first learned the rudiments of Agriculture between say 12,000 and 8,000 BC, and domesticated some of mans most useful animals. Here too the first irrigation systems were developed and the first towns were created some time during the the 5th or 4th Millennia BC. But here man has also destroyed the vegetation cover, induced soil erosion, and possibly even climatic deterioration.
Here then, where the oldest civilisations of the world first developed, in Mesopotamia and Egypt, the inter relations of man, culture and physical environment have been the most ancient and complex.

The Euphrates and the Tigris Rise in the Armenian mountains and flow of some 1400 miles down to the Persian Gulf. The Euphrates is the longer, gentler river. But the steel course of the Tigris leads to rapid floods. High water in lower Mesopotamia is in May and June, when melting snows combine with the maximum spring rainfall. The two do not always coincide, so flooding Is variable and unpredictable. Mesopotamian rulers, in consequence, were unable to claim the power of prediction and were therefore not acclaimed as Gods by their peoples.

By contrast, Egypt has only one river, The Nile. The Great Lake reservoirs of East Africa regulate the it's flow, and monsoon rains in the Ethiopian highlands provide a regular, predictable flow in the blue Nile. There were three fixed seasons in the annual calendar of the lower Nile: 'Inundation', from mid-July to November; 'Coming forth' (when the land emerged from the water and the seed grew), from mid November to Mid-March; and 'The Drought'. It was the regular rhythm of the Nile which gave the Pharaohs a greater sense of Confidence, raising them to the status of a Gods in the minds of people. To his subjects it certainly seemed that the Pharaoh possessed a power of control no Mesopotamian ruler ever felt he had over nature.