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Neurobiologically that appears to be the trend. They have the psychopathic traits, but they are not "turned up" so high, that they cause disruption. There are also some interesting recent studies on this very topic.

Could you be working for a psychopath? New research has found that people with psychopathic tendencies who have IQs can mask their symptoms by manipulating tests designed to reveal their personalities. The findings raise the possibility that large numbers of risk-takers can conceal their level of psychopathy as they rise to key managerial positions.

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^ They become emotionally damaging instead of physically.

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Successful ones are closer to Neurotypical? Meaning they just are aggressive, professional business people,political leaders, etc.

Lance armstrong, and Winston Churchill, Bernie Madoff, Oliver North.

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I'd say someone who is high functioning, well, functions higher in social situations. Good impulse control, subtle manipulation, basically has the ability to, if required, blend in perfectly.

Someone who is lower functioning wouldn't have as much control over temper and impulses, so on and so forth.

I really don't think IQ has as much of an impact on how one blends as one might think. I mean sure, if you have an IQ of 60, you're probably not going to fit in anywhere. But if you have an IQ of 160, it doesn't necessarily mean you can blend in perfectly, or control impulsive behaviour. 

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This is a topic I've discussed with some people on PsychForums. I'll re-post what I've said, in case some find it relevant to the discussion. In the following passage, I equate persons with AsPD/sociopathy to be "low-functioning psychopaths," which could also be considered "low-functioning sociopaths" depending upon the terminology you use.

Throughout history it has been recognized that there exists a subset of people who do not show impairment in rational thought, and yet behave in an immoral or amoral manner. One of the earliest accounts of this phenomenon that survives is from Theophrastus, a student of Aristotle.

The Unscrupulous Man will go and borrow more money from a creditor he has never paid…When marketing he reminds the butcher of some service he has rendered him and, standing near the scales, throws in some meat, if he can, and a soup-bone. If he succeeds, so much the better; if not, he will snatch a piece of tripe and go off laughing.

Today, deviant forms of personality are categorized according to the current paradigm of abnormal psychology. Under this paradigm, Theophrastus's "unscrupulous man" is now considered to have an antisocial personality disorder (AsPD). What abnormal psychologists believe is that people with AsPD incurred insults during the growth of their personalities which taught them to relate to society in an adversarial manner. AsPD is a diagnosis given to those whom it is believed have had such a course of development.

Sociopathy, psychopathy, and AsPD are often used synonymously in the field of psychology. The word "psychopath" is derived from the Greek words psykhe and pathos, "mind" and "suffering/disease" respectively, implying that antisocial condition is a disease of the mind. Sociopathy was a term invented later to describe antisocials; the 'socio' suffix emphasized the theory at the time that antisociality was a conditioned way of relating to society. Eventually psychology came to develop the notion of personality disorders, and 'sociopath' became known as AsPD in The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.

However, it is recognized that not all people who behave antisocially do so because life circumstances have conditioned them that way. This is where the idea of 'primary' and 'secondary' psychopathy comes from. The theory is that primary psychopaths do not emotionally relate to others because their genetics render them highly incapable of that. Secondary psychopaths had greater potential for "normal" personality development, but that potential was disrupted. In neuroscience and some circles of psychology, psychopathy is understood to be 'primary psychopathy', and 'sociopathy/ASPD' is understood to be 'secondary psychopathy.' It's a shame people get these terms mixed up, because there is definitely a difference between primary and secondary psychopathy.

Areas of reduced gray matter volume in the temporal pole (above) and medial prefrontal cortex (below) and areas of the brains of the psychopathic group of antisocial men (ASPD+P) compared to the non-psychopathic group of antisocial men (ASPD-P).

http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1149316

The following is an excerpt from a discussion I had with Etzel about cognitive and affective empathy, which has application to this discussion.

There are other studies too which say that successful psychopaths have higher autonomic reactivity (fight-or-flight response) than unsuccessful psychopaths do. At this point I am not feeling like digging up any more research though.

You seem to believe that high-functioning psychopathy is a good thing, and that lacking grey matter is a bad thing. I agree to the first part is open to opinion, but the second is complicated. Firstly let it be said that psychopathy in itself probably represents the constellation of the so called "warrior genes" playing their part in the course of neurodevelopment. The warrior genes make a person less reactive to serotonin, primarily in the emotional centers of the brain I believe. I got that all from an interview with James Fallon, who is a neuroscientist and a "high-functioning psychopath." Check out his brain scan:

There are also some brain areas that are enlarged in psychopaths. One in the frontal lobe I believe, and they have substantially enlarged corpora colossi, white matter tracts connecting the two hemispheres. I'm too lazy to find the sources now. Those were all from samples of violent offenders though, and I'm not sure how much that data carries over to successful psychopaths. But given the other comparative study I posted, I'd guess their brain volumes would be somewhere between that of controls and unsuccessful psychopaths.

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I want to know your opinion on what a person with "high functioning ASPD" is like, in regard to the high functioning part.

I also want your opinion on what a person with "low functioning ASPD" is like, in regard to the low functioning part.

Also, what are the differences as you see them? I can compare and contrast on my own, but I want to gather information from you because a lot of you know a lot more than you should about this shit. :)

Do you go by literal definitions? IQ? Do you have personal experience with one, another, or both?

If you have no idea, what do you THINK?

Educated guesses and uneducated guesses alike are welcome.

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My comparison for high vs low functioning in others within any disorder is a relative scale based on my own life. It's a flawed means of analysis, but I often find myself comparing as if I were the middle point.

I'm left believing this is typical for most people's understanding.

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Not necessarily. I think most are non-harmful, like this chap:

Although quite possibly insensitive to the emotions of others, which I think would manifest primarily in the marital realm.

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Guys, a psychopath is not the same thing as an ASPD.

A low functioning ASPD probably hates themselves, retracts from the world around them, while a high functioning ASPD picks up an AK-47 and lashes out at society. This is a generalization and not absolute.

ASPD is largely about violence, or conduct disorder, or whatever is in the definition.

 

It is characterized by at least 3 of the following:


Callous unconcern for the feelings of others;


Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations;


Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them;


Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence;


Incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment;


Marked readiness to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society.

 

So put each one on a scale and rank them from 1 to 10, and you've got high functioning versus low functioning.

It is a personality disorder, which is independent of any particular functioning aspect of the brain.

 

Put 10,000 inmates into their cell. What is going to happen to their limbic system in terms of stimulation?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limbic_system

The limbic system supports a variety of functions including adrenaline flow, emotion, behavior, motivation, long-term memory, and olfaction.[3] Emotional life is largely housed in the limbic system, and it has a great deal to do with the formation of memories.

 

ASPD's may or may not have high functioning limbic systems.

 

Hope that helps. Psychopaths is another ball of wax, and it is really not recognized as anything by any official governing body. So it's open for interpretation, and has been for a long time.

ASPD is a social order thing.

 

 

Bonnie and Clyde.

Sid and Nancy.

 

 

Charles Manson, probably had an overactive limbic system, but after sitting in jail for 30+ years, it's probably less than overactive.

 

Only guessing.

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Oh yeah, he is a psychopath. ^ Look at his excitement and bouncing. 

I knew someone who used to whistle and smile when tying someone up to beat them.

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