In conjunction to Luna's neuron post, what does everyone think of assisted suicide. A woman with terminal cancer just moved to Oregon so she could have dr. prescribed pills to end her life.
I am all for it. Dying with dignity.
I'm disgusted by suicide with some exceptions. I'm drunk and dont feel like typing a paragraph of grammatical errors, so here.
We're hardwired to run from death. Suicidal people are no different. Do you really believe it's "mild depression" that makes someone commit suicide? A person will only allow themselves to die when they've reached a point, mentally or physically, at which they truly cannot go on. You think a mildly depressed person just wakes up one day and says "Meh, I don't feel like it anymore." and hangs themselves?
So you know some guys who got shot and didn't give up? Congrazzles. It has no bearing on the subject. People have different thresholds for both mental and physical pain. Take one person with a very minimal physical sensitivity being hit with, say... a riding crop. Another person with very high physical sensitivity being hit with the same riding crop, in the same place, with the same amount of pressure. One will still be in more pain than the other. It's not a matter of weakness. Weakness is how each responds to the pain, according to the level it's at for them, not the level it would be at for others.
As for your claim that they could kill themselves in more productive ways, do you honestly believe that someone so deep in the grip of depression that living isn't worth it anymore, would (or even can) give a single flying fuck about the rest of the world, at that point? We're talking about the kind of people who no longer have the energy to do things as simple as eat regularly or get themselves out of bed in the morning, in many cases. And you expect them to plan some great act of martyrdom, for the furtherance of a cause that they probably don't have the capacity to care about anymore? On top of which, why should they? What do they owe society? What do they owe you? Why should their last breath in this world be spent for your sake, rather than their own? That's an awfully selfish notion. In a practical sense, I agree. It's a waste. But it's their waste, and they're free to make it. Which I find entirely understandable.
Just be grateful you've never been that miserable. I'm not saying you've never been depressed. I imagine you have. But the kind of depression that makes none of it worth it anymore.... You clearly can't imagine that. And since I like you, I hope you never can. x3
Figure his perspective, someone like him accepting the notion of suicide even a little bit risks inviting the possibility towards himself. Him calling it disgusting is likely a defense mechanism, and the exceptions are likely the reasons he'd ever consider it himself. He keeps to himself more often than not from the sounds of it, so controlling what's going on in his own mind is a means of controlling his environment.
"A person will only allow themselves to die when they've reached a point,mentally or physically, at which they truly cannot go on."
Even then, it's pretty rough. It takes a warped variant of strength to go through with something like that, one that through trial and error I've seen that I lack.
"You think a mildly depressed person just wakes up one day and says "Meh, I don't feel like it anymore." and hangs themselves?"
Hah, if it were that easy I'd not be alive.
"As for your claim that they could kill themselves in more productive ways, do you honestly believe that someone so deep in the grip of depression that living isn't worth it anymore, would (or even can) give a single flying fuck about the rest of the world, at that point?"
Suicide Bombers are capable of it because of what they're promised that comes after alongside looking at the state of the world.
That being said, they're the exception to the usual suicidal motions, not the norm. There's also the Fight Club perspective of seeing his own death as the means to immortality, even if his own philosophy craps on that line of reasoning on other pages.
It depends on the reasoning behind it for how they are before it happens. Not all suicidal ideation roots from crippling forms of nihilism. Dying for a cause can manifest even as far as just proving something to themselves, not anything external. Sometimes suicide even roots from wanting to hurt those who would care about their passing.