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How many times do I have to keep suffering for your sins?


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by Victor Mayfair

Salvation is only needed if man thinks he needs it. If man can somehow trick himself into believing that his action were noble, then he has nothing to want salvation for.

 

Man is a beautiful, cruel,darkly twisted beast.

 Indeed you cannot help me find an honest man, though it is not external from mans will that he should perish, for a will is like a coin. The will in accordance with mans will scorches the grass that groweth on the plain, that hath been growing unto greatness and that a man of lacked wisdom to trample upon a patient and humble streak shall not be a wise man, but a fool. And from Folly he cometh, so he shall return to and fro. And when he is asked "What saith thou about this?" He replies "I knoweth not" though he knoweth.

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How many times do I have to keep suffering for your sins?

Very nice passage. Valid points, all of them. But, I only have one quarrel with the matter of all this.

You forget that man was created to live, fall from whatever high they had, and die. With many a regret.

Humans are meant to be that way;flawed and dark. Myself included. As much as I would love to be perfect, as much as anyone wants to be perfect, you simply cannot. If you were perfect, you'd be a god.

 

And my sins and everyone else's are ours.. You do not have to mop up the filthy ways of human nature

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How many times do I have to keep suffering for your sins?

I took that into account, everybody will build walls high and stand upon the top when it falls. The nature of man is beast, and the beast is not holy. All of these sins have ramifications, they cause ill and eventually one most bare the burden of the worlds carnal sin and die for their salvation. 

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How many times do I have to keep suffering for your sins?

Aye, and it is so.

 

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How many times do I have to keep suffering for your sins?

Salvation is only needed if man thinks he needs it. If man can somehow trick himself into believing that his action were noble, then he has nothing to want salvation for.

 

Man is a beautiful, cruel,darkly twisted beast.

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How many times do I have to keep suffering for your sins?

O' you belligerent nations! With your adjacent relations, for it is you who hath destroyed the earth, who have turned mere irrational concepts into practical hatred of brother.

For the people were formed from the ground, they developed conceit and pretentiousness, they forgot that they are mere dirt to be wiped off of a boot.
It is for this reason that they have become deluded in their ways, their sinful ways, they harm one another and themselves and say "Woe unto me shall never be, but I shall be forever and liveth as." FOLLY! For this is pride, and pride is a great sin, a sin because it relies upon the subordination of brother!

Your false posturing is itself a woe, you have drifted away from righteousness and justice into the darkness, where you believe your evil acts are hidden or disguised by lies. For the root of darkness shall not flourish into light, but it shall remain unhindered by the light and be in darkness. That which is derived from sin shall remain sinful, that a person today is a liar.

For Diogenes of Sinope carried around a candle lit lamp in broad day light seeking an honest man, and there was none.

And all of this which is done in darkness dismays those subordinated into peripherality. And the Son of man (me) has become the lamb of God, that is, the Lamb of justice and righteousness. For sacrifice is necessary to regain goodness, you must cut ties with the malevolent desires of mans sinful heart. I have suffered for your sins, I have taken it upon my self to serve justice in the face of great adversity. Many others have suffered for the sins of these evil people, tell me, how much more do I have to suffer for your sins?

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How many times do I have to keep suffering for your sins?

"The nature of man is beast, and the beast is not holy."
I don't find this a problem, as I'd argue that being "holy" is unnatural while the desire to be is not.

"All of these sins have ramifications"
Non-sins can carry just as many thanks to things like the Butterfly Effect. A sinful act can just as easily make life better as an unsinful one can make life worse.

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How many times do I have to keep suffering for your sins?

 

 

by Turncoat

"The nature of man is beast, and the beast is not holy."
I don't find this a problem, as I'd argue that being "holy" is unnatural while the desire to be is not.

"All of these sins have ramifications"
Non-sins can carry just as many thanks to things like the Butterfly Effect. A sinful act can just as easily make life better as an unsinful one can make life worse.

So many good points made againt the stuff you say Jack, yet you ignore them/avoid to reply and actually debate shit. Aren't intellectual fancy-pants geeks like you supposed to have actual conversations instead of just babbling on their own like a crazy old lady?

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