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"I recommend using fear. It need not be a fear of you, or a fear of "them", as long as it scares them enough to see you as their savior."

Fear fails as it creates crappy production and abandonment and insecurity. Which also leads to rebels.

Anger is much better. It also creates a nice punch for your cause. And each time you win, you get empowered. Anger towards a common enemy.

"There's always room for more prejudice, it follows trends of the times as well as the weight of retold history. Prejudice is a shortcut of survival."

I'm talking about the more specific prejudice of today, towards the problems that i think get in the way of progress.

"Oh believe me, it's within the capacity of human kind to be an intelligent bigot. They will believe the knowledge and intelligence they possess is "best", or may draw their own comparative lines for what constitutes a lack of intelligence."

Those are much more reasonable, can make valid points and wont do something stupid. And if they do, well they wont look so intelligent anymore, unless they admit it.

"Intelligence is more than capable of it's share of flaws, and it's not like your eyes can be everywhere at once. Even those within your own ranks can become holes in your security. There'd also be those intelligent enough that dislike your system and aim to dismantle it."

Then i have succeeded and someone more capable is now continuing my work and progress. This is where my ultimate victory would be. If he can outwin me at this point, then its his prize to claim.

"A hivemind is what i want and the force is there to keep everything in order and in line. A clear set of rules and methods is always preferred."
Thiiiiis is where we differ.

"But at the current times, that will have to wait a few generations, so the prejudice is weeded out from people."
There's always room for more prejudice, it follows trends of the times as well as the weight of retold history. Prejudice is a shortcut of survival.

"You must create a common ground for most people and yourself. Then actually do something to show them you are capable. After that it gets easier and you even get room for mistakes."
I recommend using fear. It need not be a fear of you, or a fear of "them", as long as it scares them enough to see you as their leader.

"this is why we need intelligent people, they wont have such problems. if there is nothing to relate, then study the subject."
Oh believe me, it's within the capacity of human kind to be an intelligent bigot. They will believe the knowledge and intelligence they possess is "best", or may draw their own comparative lines for what constitutes a lack of intelligence.

Edit: This also does not stop them from cherry picking their findings, performing Confirmation Bias in potentially harmful ways.

Intelligence is more than capable of it's share of flaws, and it's not like your eyes can be everywhere at once. Even those within your own ranks can become holes in your security. There'd also be those intelligent enough that dislike your system and aim to dismantle it.

Intelligence grants the capacity for your own ruin no matter how you spread it, while a lack of it makes for a people that can be herded like cattle.

http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/portfolio/part-1-adolf-hitlers-childhood/

^i watched this as it was being made. its awesome.

its long, i think its over 5 hours. but its in parts

The very best thing on history i have seen.

by Turncoat

"The Nazis enforced what you could sell something for. No free market."

What sort of long-term repercussions would come from a standardized price set? From my lack of understanding I'd just imagine less greed, but there must be more to it than that.

In the case of Germany pre world war II?

Stability.

Long term anywhere else... an inability for people to adapt fast enough to changing circumstances.

When the freedom to control ones own business economics is not available to them, they have to twiddle thier thumbs and wait for orders from above. The law abiding people.

So in times of dire circumstances, I'd guess illegal black markets would spring up all over?

I don't really know...

Another positive however, is that the lowering of prices against competitions would lull, and might create more economic wealth for workers, but that is extremly idealist and probably an issue for Unions, rather than price fixing.

In China, there are good examples of the government breaking up price fixing cartels. LCD monitors I think was a recent one.

by Turncoat

"The Nazis enforced what you could sell something for. No free market."

What sort of long-term repercussions would come from a standardized price set? From my lack of understanding I'd just imagine less greed, but there must be more to it than that.

I don't know... what sort of long-term repercussions would come about from a free market with hyper inflation problems?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic

In plain speak. Germany said fuck you to the rest of the world. Seemed to work, they managed to take over nearly half of it less time that it takes for most major urban centers to build a sports stadium.

Who cares about fixed prices? If you want to make more money, then sell more instead of raising prices.

I am not an expert on it, but it seems to be a minor shift in ethics all things considered.

Generally speaking when you can't do business with foreign markets, everyone goes grass roots and local industry starts popping up like crazy. If all your buyers overseas are ripping you off hardcore, all of a sudden making luxury watches makes no fuckin sense what-so-ever, so people start building farms, and military tank production lines. Instead of buying food that's been imported, people start trading local farmers their furniture, jewelries, and labor for food.

In global markets, you can very easily find circumstances where importing food is cheaper than growing your own. Oppression continues to ensue against the foreign competition. This is such a popular phenomenon you have people marketing "fair trade" on food labels.

Ask All-In-One, he's the stock trader...

Now you tell me... what is the long term consequence of this runaway consumer price index?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_price_index

Here's a thought....

by Turncoat

I wonder how long such a regime would last, since from your construct you haven't mentioned anyone maintaining this system.

I didn't mention anyone not maintaining it either. Those details don't matter, considering it's not real.

What would constitute a criminal in your society?

Anyone convicted of a crime. Same as in our current society.

How would you rope them into the idea of voting, something like an idea I had a while back where those who don't vote risk being next? Just because you and I might enjoy such a spectacle doesn't mean people will follow it when they still aren't used to it yet.

I would likely use verbal persuasion and fear tactics. I would introduce a law that enforces voting.

Lets hope your nation doesn't become plagued with Kuru~

 Ha. Yeah.

The human brain will not be consumed. I think that's where the Kuru disease stems from.

"It still poses the risk of them becoming intelligent enough to damn themselves. What's something everyone ought to have is also what can simultaneously screw over everyone. Intelligence is power, and power is in people's hands what they appropriate it into.

Secret police would still carry human flaws, intelligent people still carry human flaws. Would anything be policing the police themselves?"

Nothing is perfect, but you can always optimize. And i think this is the best way to optimize progress and efficiency.

"Would you ever believe that if it was someone else running things? Even if they were ideas that, on paper, looked close enough to being your own thoughts to be seen as acceptable?"

Yes and i would much rather like it, because i prefer to serve someone smart and competent, so he has to take responsibility and think big. I can focus on my field and perfect it instead. But i can take his place if i feel i am capable enough. And with the proper preparation i can be.

There is such a political party here, but its rather weak atm. Could get stronger in the future.

"We'd need a common foe."

Or people would have evolved beyond that and we'd just need a common goal. Or there will be aliens, so there is your foe. Or Earth will start to die, so there is another unification reason. Or something else.

""The grass is always greener on the other side". They will still aim to have what they don't, especially if their neighbor has it. They will eat themselves with their own greed, a nation's success simply grants them a bigger pool to fight over."

I think this can be avoided if people are shaped with the right mentality.

"How would you turn their focus away from the one who lead them to this failure? Everyone loves a scapegoat."

He is a side effect and not relevant in the big picture. Maybe he will be forgiven, maybe replaced. Its up to him. How the people will treat him, is also up to the leader.

"There's nothing here that'd stop someone smart from ruining everything. Good intentions still have that element of risk, of chance, and perhaps they'd figure they could do a better job with the resources than you could have. Their "failure" could very well take a portion of you with it."

It would be too easy and boring if everything goes exactly as planned. This is why a plan has many paths and can 'backtrack' :P

"And that's where preparation in advance could help thwart that. The challenge is figuring out in advance what "that" is."

Expect the unexpected

What are your views on the Jonestown massacre and the Branch Davidians (Waco)? They were also motivated by what they thought was a higher purpose. 

As far as the OP's post. I am also curious as to why people can be so influenceable. Are we hardwired to follow ?

I won't put much thought into it until it happens. But if I were the leader of a country with nuclear weapons I would nuke the earth and hopefully whoever rises from the ashes will begin a better tomorrow. You can imagine how it would look.

If I didn't even have THAT, then I would like to just test out things that haven't been done in modern society yet and see what happens. Take away all police for a few months, change the power sources, take away the idea/use of currency for a short period. Focus the education on knowledge rather than what you need to know for entering the workforce and making money. It would be good for the world to see what happens in a modern society like that.

But realistically I will put a majority of the country's money into R&D and make strides, much in the same way the Nazis were making in that respect lol.

Science without limits gave us a lot of new and interesting technology.

by PyschoSociol

When i see some tragedy i always just hope it gets worse and spreads, I love the idea of living post apocalypse

 What is stopping you from living that lifestyle now? There will be consequences with or without structure.