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Developing sociopathic traits from meaninglessness

noted. I understand now and appreciate the advice, ret 

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I've been seeing things the way I see them now, as long as I remember.

It is not exactly nihilistic, but more of a search for what does it mean to exist and to not exist.

Only when I learn to encompass every aspect of what it means to not exist, am I ready to learn of what it means to exist.

And vice versa.

This is the power that knowledge bares to you through your desires and the reality of what awaits you.

We all have our limitations, but there is 'supposedly' always a way to go beyond every such limitation.

You will learn to overcome your fears and accomplish what is yours' to accomplish, or you will succumb.

Some people appear to fear differently (or not at all ), yet they still succumb.

As meaningless as your own accomplishments are in comparison to those of others (more likely as unnoticed ), or the vast emptiness of reality that comprises it, you will still have your life to deal with and only the pressure exerted upon you by outside forces that will never be challenged with your level of ignorance, can change what you truly are (I've reread this last sentence a few times and am confused by it still).

You want to escape the inevitable, but a part of you has always accepted it.

Thus you want to enjoy filling the empty spaces with the likeness of your imagination.

Time for another beer.

 

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by ret

Forget everything what cheesemaster says. He's an autistic troll.

I consider nihilism a necessary step in finding your own system of values. By breaking out of it i mean to overcome the trap of dismissing everything because one can't see an universal sense behind it.

You are not doomed. The next step is to realize that all you see is subjective. Even if there's an objective reality you'll never see it the way it is and thus all further attempts to find objective values are fruitless. Learn to know yourself better and find values that fit to your own subjective reality because that's the one you live in. You can also try and change that reality by working on your personal growth. Try to become happier, more balanced or whatever.

 Nihilism is. or it's an active choice it seems. Whether anyone chooses to be bound by a set of conventions yet another, and it  need not  be lauded either way. Seems more often than not that existence and one's place in it has become a popularity contest or some set of predefined roles that have been set up over time by the previous generation.  Not that it is bad, but not necessarily workable depending on your own make up and disposition. 

If you have to think about it to choose nihilism, perhaps it makes less sense than you might wish to confer on a particular mindset? 

Seen the religious sort go up in flames rejecting their upbringing due to fears of burning in hell and figuring might as well enjoy life in all aspects before pushing up daisies. Self destruct in the meaninglessness as perceived through the lens of damnation. 

 

. If social interaction is meaningless, lies can roll off the tongue, insecurities dissipate.

 

Rather doubt that. If anything you entrap yourself in your own BS. 

http://ro.uow.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4817&context=theses

 

 

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by Turncoat

"Learn to know yourself better and find values that fit to your own subjective reality because that's the one you live in."

That's the hard part. Once everything is seen as subjective everything risks seeming meaningless. It's that portion that leads some to become depressed in a state of existential confusion.

Having to craft your own sense of meaning, of worth, that's not easy when the evidence around you can contradict those views.

I think it's mostly a question of what you expect from the answers you are seeking. They'll never going to satisfy the standard of "universal truth" and that's why nihilism makes it so easy to rip apart any philosophical concept. IMO one has accept that, change ones expectations and move on to more practical questions like How can I live a fullfilled life? Then it's not that hard to find answers anymore.

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I think I understand what you wrote but I don't see how it relates to my post you quoted...

 

 

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I think it's possible to develop a sort of "practical sociopathy" through conditioning.

Nihilism may be a good place to start in terms of how to get over your conscience. Actually acting like a sociopath would take a lot of practise though.

On that note, Machiavelli's The Prince is always worth a read. This book will teach you how to act once you've gotten over your morals and values. If you don't get over them and then practise what the book preaches, then you will feel bad.

Sociopaths and psychopaths are worshipped here because they have superhuman abilities - lack of conscience, impenetrable calm, callous and practical decision making. If you could combine nihilism and machiavellianism I think you would have an advantage over even the sociopaths and psychopaths because you would be able to switch it off and actually become  normal.

However, the very fact that you are pursuing this means you probably have something wrong with you already.

 

Don't fuckin' deny it.

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double post

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Was agreeing with you, and just questioning the idea of adopting nihilism as opposed to it being innate. What a person chooses to do over a life time of experience is entirely up to them. Morality is innate or not, but a social / religious construct which allows like minded groups to function with some degree of predictability. 

The OP seems to be suggesting something along the lines of psuedologia fantastica  which really makes no sense and would require massive attention to detail. Exhausting and potentially more trouble than it would ever be worth. I have seen it in full swing with NPD/ BPD hybrid...anything for narc supply. It's a funny thing to read. Feed the false construct with validation, the dupe and the feed. Pathetic what drives that. 

It's a funny suggestion to read a book to adopt a mind set. Create a personality disorder? For what? Reads more like NPD or BPD trying to do an upgrade to some perceived idea of what is "better" which is further to the point that the BPD/ NPD is already screwed up to be thinking along those lines. They are emotionally fragile as hell and crack at the first signs of pressure against the mask or the mirror that reflects back their broken pieces. 

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It's a funny suggestion to read a book to adopt a mind set. Create a personality disorder? For what? Reads more like NPD or BPD trying to do an upgrade to some perceived idea of what is "better" which is further to the point that the BPD/ NPD is already screwed up to be thinking along those lines. They are emotionally fragile as hell and crack at the first signs of pressure against the mask or the mirror that reflects back their broken pieces.

 

What?

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Developing sociopathic traits from meaninglessness

Sounds more like emotionally numb SPD with an analytical nature.

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