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by Tryptamine

Although there are some Christian theoretical physicists out there...that shows that belief systems can become very complex. Those physicists may not be seeking false hope as much as betting that the universe's intricate and fine-tuned complexity could not possibly be the result of "chance." And that's a topic that is at least debatable, as opposed to something like "the human body functions so well, how could that have happened on its own?"

 Not only Christian but across the whole spectrum. The current "quantum leap" is partly attributed to a bunch of Indian physicists who took Vedic texts as a template to draw on (can't provide links but sure a google search will throw up a few). That's what people don't get about what they call "religion" - they take it as a belief system, whereas the concept is about facilitating a ground removed from perceived reality (a blank table if you please), on which ideas can be dissected. 

Agree with Phoe. Out of a zillion possibilities, giving up on one to experience another isn't necessarily a bad thing.

We all have biases. We all use our little technically incorrect heuristics devices to remember stuff and get through each day without being so distracted by our own navel gazing that we get hit by a bus.

I could wash my face first in the shower and work down instead of starting with my feet and working my way up. But why? Anybody who tries to force that change on me is going to get booted THE FUCK out of my bathroom in a hurry.

Are they giving up in a really bad way if they decide not to press the issue with me? lol

You could compare that process to what churchy people go through with their religion. It's so much more complicated than believing that it's true or losing their faith when they see evidence to the contrary. There's the ritual, the fellowship, being part of a community that they know will get their backs if they really need protection from some disaster. That's what's more difficult for most people to give up.

I'll see if I can find The Friendly Atheist again. Haven't been there in years, but it's a good site if anybody's interested.

"Please try not to argue of semantics. It's quite pointless."

It's more then semantics, but if you feel like giving up again that's your deal.

"Giving up" just has negative connotations in our competetive culture. To say that somebody gave up implies weakness.

It sounds much less derogatory to say "changed your mind."

See? "Easy to swallow" smh. Sounds like you just tried to force your dick down somebody's throat. lol

"Changed your mind" implies forward thinking and open-mindedness ;)

"I never said I've given up, I merely said I accept some people can't change."
That to me is giving up, as you're finding ways to justify it to yourself as impossible.

"There comes a point, though, that there aren't any more possible approaches, and the effort would all be ineffective."
I highly doubt you've tried everything, but you mentioned that you'd still try if you find new approaches. I just don't think there's really a tipping point beyond patience, as even the walls others present can be worked through.

"When I say I've come to accept some can't change, I am referring to when I reach that point, I'll be sure I won't break my neck in anger."
So it's not about the impossibility then, it is about your own patience. That means it is giving up, you're just doing it for what you've deemed a self-sustaining reason.

"Something about courage to change the things you can, acceptance or something-or-rather to know when you can't, and wisdom to know the difference."
That hogwash is just for those who need to find serenity after their failures. I figure why go for all the smoke and mirrors and face it for what it really is: giving up or not trying.

"Agree with Phoe. Out of a zillion possibilities, giving up on one to experience another isn't necessarily a bad thing."

I never said it was bad. It's not like I don't give up on stuff or deem some stuff not worth trying, but I don't see a reason to call it something else in an attempt to make it easier to swallow.

Please try not to argue of semantics. It's quite pointless.

"If that's how you want to see it."
I'm mostly having fun with word choices really, choosing it mostly because it's more likely to provoke a response than putting it softly. It's fun how using phrases that are generally taken as inherently negative can have someone feel they need to defend themselves. The message is the same, but it's taken in entirely differently simply from the way it's portrayed.

"Carping at somebody who won't change is simply less productive than spending time with people you do like, imo."
Not all discussion is done in the name of productivity.

"I'd much rather focus on kids, cooking, my job, my ab crunches... anything but some stubborn old coot who disagrees with me."
So you'd rather just talk to people who agree with your views than find people who disagree and aim to challenge them? That would have to become repetitive at some point.

"I only argue with people for as long as there's some useful information being exchanged."
That's why you talk to Wooster~?

"I have to get smthg out of the debate. Otherwise, it's a dick pulling contest."
Are their responses not "smthg" to you? I enjoy how someone portrays what they know and show how they'll respond at times more than the knowledge itself.

"The old coot can go to his or her grave with his or her incorrect information for all I care."
What makes their views incorrect?

"This is where I put the whole wisdom crap to use. You're a person on the internet who is pushing the point of 'you're just giving up' more than what you can actually judge what I'm doing."
You sound offended that I said you do something that people typically do, that I do as well as part of this "people".

"If that's giving up, so be it."
At least you accept it for what it is then.

"I call it conserving my energy for when someone much more capable of grasping the concepts I lay down comes along."
Call it what you want, it doesn't change what it is~

If that's how you want to see it. 

Carping at somebody who won't change is simply less productive than spending time with people you do like, imo. I'd much rather focus on kids, cooking, my job, my ab crunches... anything but some stubborn old coot who disagrees with me.

I only argue with people for as long as there's some useful information being exchanged. I have to get smthg out of the debate. Otherwise, it's a dick pulling contest. I have no time for those. Household to manage, kid to feed, practical concerns, yadda yadda. The old coot can go to his or her grave with his or her incorrect information for all I care.

My time is a gift. I don't waste it on people who don't appreciate it.