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• It honestly sounded like your dad ran into a brick wall trying to sort things out, I don't think there was much he could do.
• Himself, I think he felt guilty.
• As long as you can learn from your father's mistakes and move on from that traumatic event, I don't see why not.
• He could've of given up and left your family. He could've(might have idk) used you, your sister or your mother as a punching bag to let out his anger but he chose to have other's help mediate the situation. He had the ability to self reflect and realize he wasn't exactly capable of solving his own problems. Sounds like he at least tried before giving up.

I guess so...

So maybe the root cause is the mother and the kids?

Must be a huge mistake to do the family thing then. Don't do that.

As I said, fathers should just fuck off till they get their heads on straight. Nobody needs them that badly.

Check out Obama. He was adopted.

Check out this list of Orphans.

http://thirdworldorphans.org/gpage.html34.html

Girls wear pink, and boys wear blue. Mothers play the good cop, and the Dad should just do whatever the hell he wants.

Look what this father did to this guy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GG_Allin

Allin was born Jesus Christ Allin at Weeks Memorial Hospital in Lancaster, New Hampshire, the younger of two sons to Merle Colby Allin, Sr. and Arleta Gunther.[3] He was given this name because his father told his wife that Jesus Christ himself had visited him, and told him that his newborn son would be a great man in the vein of the Messiah.[3][6]

I don't understand.

Hundreds or thousands of fathers kill themselves every year.

So this one did, due to temporary insanity.

I think it all probably depends on the families immediate circle of friends and perhaps the life insurance policy, if any.

If you ask me, fathers put too much load on their shoulders. Instead of killing themselves, they should just fuck off for a few years and come back when they have their head on straight.

How would this guy best deal with this situation long-term?

He'd move on, doesn't have any other choice.

Would he blame anyone?

Not if he went psycho.

Is a "good life" possible for him or his sister?

Sure... as I said... too much load on the shoulders. Fathers are role models, they are not there to provide a good life or a bad life for someone. 

What if he chose a "bad life?". What would that look like?

??? I don't believe a father has any ultimate say in whether or not one chooses a good life or a bad life.

There was obviously a root cause that drove him to suicide, he shouldn't let that get to him like his father did.

by Systematic

• As long as you can learn from your father's mistakes and move on from that traumatic event, I don't see why not.

That's ridiculous.

How exactly is someone going psycho and blowing their head off a mistake to be learned from?

Wow, you really hang around a bunch of winners...

I know two families where the father killed themselves. All the kids turned out fine... One was my brother. His kids are doing really good.

For sure though, none of them were so self centered that they felt the need to make a show out of it.

List of famous foster kids.

http://www.imafoster.com/2011/09/some-foster-kids-that-have-gone-on-to.html

Xena, I think you forget that where you are there is a 75% chance regardless of whether or not someone goes into foster care, that they will be fucked up.

I know this one guy, whose father was absolutely loaded, and a successful business man. Apparently he did the coke rage thing and beat up his girlfriend. It was such a small town, he'll never live it down.

You can fuck up whether or not your family provides the opportunities for success.

The other kid, apparently he turned out fine.

There is no rhyme or reason as to why some people have a "good life" or a "bad life". 60-80 years is a long time to label it all "good" or "bad" anyways...

Jesus, I'll go so far as to guess, that the bigger the fuck up the father is, the bigger the chance is the kids will succeed.

I mean, unless your bobby, the 14 year old inner city crack head. That's sort of obvious...

There really is not way to predict or know.

Either child could become bipolar. It has a genetic element. Grow up dysfunctional. Go to therapy and have semi-normal lives.

There were many things the father could have done. I am bipolar and I would never kill myself especially in front of my kids. Divorce anyone?

I think they are pretty rare.

Sure, womens shelters are out there, but the media really had a hey day back in the 90s with spousal abuse.

I don't think violence against women and children is that epic.

Maybe in Bagdad. 

Looks to me like "fathers" are the ones who are committing the most suicide.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/hlth66b-eng.htm

Seems as if they kill themselves right around that ripe age of fatherhood.

15 to 19 - 140
20 to 24 - 224
25 to 29 - 198
30 to 34 - 212
35 to 39 - 220
40 to 44 - 267
45 to 49 - 318
50 to 54 - 322
55 to 59 - 273
60 to 64 - 186
65 to 69 - 117

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/hlth66c-eng.htm

Women seem to be a lively bunch considering they are getting the shit kicked out of them daily.

15 to 19 - 58

20 to 24 - 77

25 to 29 - 63

30 to 34 - 71

35 to 39 - 68
40 to 44 - 87
45 to 49 - 114
50 to 54 - 121
55 to 59 - 102
60 to 64 - 59

It is a gender war and males always lose out. Men are killing themselves at basically 3 times the rate.

Nobody gives a shit.

You will never hear there is a problem about it either. Men are the villians in society.

Fuck, first responders kill themselves at 1.5 times the average, and they get plenty of spotlight.

Where I am, those kids would not still be in the home at 14 and 18. They would have long since been sent to fostercare.

If the authorities know about the mental illness, the kids are often snatched at birth. If not, the CAS are called the minute the police get called in about the noise. So usually before age 6.

Worst case scenario for the girl (this is a true story) the girl is bumped around to different foster homes and mental institutions that aren't much better than what the authorities snatched her from. She runs away anytime between age 9 and 14 and learns how to prostitute herself. She hooks up with a series of abusive men and eventually ends up with a biker. She gets gang raped at the age of 12 and barely survives. She develops a severe drug problem to cope with the trauma and continues to prostitute herself to pay for it. She has several children of her own with more abusive men. They all end up in fostercare. The oldest refuses to see her and does not acknowledge his Ojibwe heritage. He despises Native people and hates his own mother. However, he does well in school. The rest of her kids have never met her.

She learns around the age of 30 that she is HIV positive.

^ I suspect this woman is dead by now. She was an acquaintance from many years ago. I haven't talked to her since she told me she was dying.

For the boy: a series of fosterhomes again, misdiagnoses and ritalin up the wazoo. Then a rude awakening at age 17 when Child Protective Services are no longer legally obligated to care for him. He is dumped at the nastiest shelter in the city with no support, and no explanation as to how to get on assistance, find a job, doctor, anything. Just "Goodbye. The staff here will help you." They don't. The place is a temporary shelter where the crazies go for their meltdowns (our psychiatric inpatient services took a big hit in the 80s and 90s.) People come in at or after 9pm and get booted out by 7am. Smthg about regulations, funding and anonymity.

So the kid ends up addicted to crack and meth like everybody else in the place bc he was forced to go off his ritalin cold turkey.

^That one was a shame. He was a beautiful boy. He would have made a fine cub if he weren't so damaged at 22 years old.

Here, kids only have about a 25% chance of coming out of fostercare somewhat normal