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Do you believe in Egalitarianism in economics


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I believe that price fixing is the same thing as market collusion among a few select super corporations that form cartels, making the cost of living more difficult for the average person.

I do not believe in the fierce competition or the hierarchies of social classes in the way they are currently set out.

I am probably most aligned with the mid-far left and green movements, with a soft spot for the conservatives, and an admiration and a slight disgust towards the extreme right.

 

Everyone profits from the Government. Without the Government in the USA you'd end up with total disaster.

 

Take away the government from a libertarian society and you end up with war.

Take away all the liberties from a government run society and you end up with facism.

 

I've never understood egalitarianism myself. It is probably politically center.

 

I am essentially amoral. Not immoral, not moral-less. Amoral.

So I admire the philosophy that is egalitarianism, however from a practical standpoint, I do not understand it.

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Do you believe in Egalitarianism in economics

Egalitarianism in economics is a controversial phrase with conflicting potential meanings. It may refer either to equality of opportunity, the view that the government ought not to discriminate against citizens or hinder opportunities for them to prosper, or the quite different notion of equality of outcome, a state of economic affairs in which the government promotes equal prosperity for all citizens.
The free-market economist Milton Friedman supported equality-of-opportunity economic egalitarianism. Economist John Maynard Keynes supported more equal outcomes.


An early example of equality-of-outcome economic egalitarianism is Xu Xing, a scholar of the Chinese philosophy of Agriculturalism, who supported the fixing of prices, in which all similar goods and services, regardless of differences in quality and demand, are set at exactly the same, unchanging price.


Social ownership of means of production is sometimes considered to be a form of economic egalitarianism because in an economy characterized by social ownership, the surplus product generated by industry would accrue to the population as a whole as opposed to private owners, thereby granting each individual increased autonomy and greater equality in their relationships with one another (see: Social dividend and Social ownership). Although the economist Karl Marx is sometimes mistaken to be an egalitarian, Marx eschewed normative theorizing on moral principles. Marx did, however, have a theory of the evolution of moral principles in relation to specific economic systems.


Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels rejected egalitarianism in the sense of greater equality between classes, clearly distinguishing it from the socialist notion of the abolition of classes based on the division between owners and workers (which is on their relation to productive property). Marx's view of classlessness was not the subordination of society to a universal interest (such as a universal notion of "equality"), but rather, was about the creation of the conditions that would enable individuals to pursue their true interests and desires. Thus, Marx's notion of communist society is radically individualistic.


The American economist John Roemer has put forth a new perspective of equality and its relationship to socialism. Roemer attempts to reformulate Marxist analysis to accommodate normative principles of distributive justice, shifting the argument for socialism away from purely technical and materialist reasons to one of distributive justice. Roemer argues that, according to the principle of distributive justice, the traditional definition of socialism based on the principle that individual compensation be proportional to the value of the labour one expands in production is inadequate. Roemer concludes that egalitarians must reject socialism as it is classically defined.

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I personally believe in Equal opportunity, but not equal outcomes. I also love the idea of allowing all citizens to have ownership of the government, and enjoy it's profits!!  I know a lot of people here prefer to live in the moment, and that would make them disadvantaged in the global economy compared to those who plan ahead. So.. I postulate that the dumber people in the world would want equal outcomes, and the people who understand and respect the fact that society and economy evolves with time would want equal opportunity. So what do you guys believe in? 

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Like any real American I appreciate a policy of sharing the failure but nobody taking a slice of my pie.

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Do you believe in Egalitarianism in economics

Equal opportunity, but that requires a relatively even playing field.

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Do you believe in Egalitarianism in economics

Yeah I'll give you a summary;

it was a long way of Luna saying her beliefs on how she actually has the potential to earn any real money in this world through hard work

but Luna seems rich already so who knows!

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Do you believe in Egalitarianism in economics

, but: the verb 'believe' followed by the prefix 'in' is always a sure sign of a flawed thought process.  

You may (or may not) believe something (be it G_d's word or the weather forecast).  When you believe (or disbelieve) IN something is wherein delusion (ideology) lies, either way.

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Do you believe in Egalitarianism in economics

 

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by Pink01

 the potential to earn any real money in this world through hard work

 How quaint. 

Too sad that notion was already obsolete well before i was born. 

My favourite work was not only hard but ridiculously unpaid too, almost crossing the line between 'work' and 'fancy'.  (Yet i still like digging earth day in & out, as long as the sun is out.)

 Gardening or grave robbing? : P

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by Pink01

 the potential to earn any real money in this world through hard work

 How quaint. 

Too sad that notion was already obsolete well before i was born. 

My favourite work was not only hard but ridiculously unpaid too, almost crossing the line between 'work' and 'fancy'.  (Yet i still like digging earth day in & out, as long as the sun is out.)

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Do you believe in Egalitarianism in economics

Nifty.  I'm such a sucker for antiquity.  Hoping to wander about Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan in the near future, exploring dig sites. : 3
What would you say is the most exceptional historical doohickey that you've ever had the pleasure of working on?

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Do you believe in Egalitarianism in economics

Not robbing (now, that's a thoroughly despicable approach to archæology, blame he Brits) - just an archæologic restorer. (Sorta "forensic museology" line of work.)

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