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Emotions...or not?


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I have always been slightly different from my family. Mainly because (and I don't mean to be rude) members of my immediate and even distant family lack intelligence, class, independence, and general interesting qualities. Around my closest family such as my mother (and by close, I mean literally in close proximity to me all my life, not emotionally close), I am more myself because pretending to be someone I am not around her would be tiring as she is ALWAYS around. I notice when I am around my mother I tend to bite my tongue but not put up a facade, however, when I feel strongly about something I speak my mind and there's a noticeable pattern in the things I say. I find myself often saying things that make me seem like I don't care for many people or "that's not my problem". My mother is big on helping people that don't deserve it in situations where she gets nothing in return. I have spent my whole life listening to her say how good it feels to help others and then shortly after complain about how no one - myself most of all - do nothing to help her with anything. So why help when you know there is no payoff? You'll be left desperate and lonely without anything to show for your so-called hard work. Because of this mentality I have and my general disinterest in many things and people, my mother has said I am not an empathetic person and that I need to learn how to... I don't know, "feel for people" or something. But I do feel for others... I think?

 

Which brings me to my next point; when I am with friends or distant family members I don't know very well I tend to adapt myself to fit in with them. I suddenly like what they like, talk how they talk, and my emotions seem to be in tune with theirs. I lose myself and become someone else - someone closer to the person I am interacting with. In my slightly younger years (I say slightly because at 18 almost 19, I am still quite young) this tendency to turn into a chameleon and mimic the colors of others left me quite confused and lost as I tried to determine who I was, really, and if what I was feeling were my own feelings or that of others that I had adapted. I was even more thrown for a loop when I actively focused on isolating myself for a short while and tuning into myself to see what emotions I myself had that I wasn't just picking up from others. What I found was nothing. I felt nothing. I have since convinced myself that everything I feel are my own emotions and they're just so jumbled that I have a hard time making sense of them. However, I am known to lie to myself and to others so I'm not sure how much of that I should really believe. There ARE times when I feel things for certain people. I'l note them below.

 

1. My sister and I are - or used to be - very close. Although she is ten years older, we shared a lot of fun times and a lot of bad times, dealing with our mother. I look up to her and I say she is my most beloved companion. Though there is a problem... Since my sister moved out a few years ago, I have adopted an out of sight, out of mind policy toward her. When I think of her, I feel nothing except the occasional uplift a nice memory we shared. I have a "she can/should handle herself" mentality. But this is a woman whom, in our younger days, I used to follow around like a duckling. I admired her and loved (?) her and never wanted to be apart from her. So how can I be so indifferent towards her when she is not around?

2. My niece and nephew are very adorable and well-behaved. I love (?) them and I like playing with them when they are around. During a car crash when my nephew was barely one years old, I twisted my wrist saving him since his faulty carseat had not. I can listen to my overly talkative niece for hours and I can play with any number of boyish toys with my nephew. However, when it comes time to sending them gifts or talking to them on the phone when they go back to the state in which they now live, I think "what's the point"? I love them, and keep pictures of them, but I seem to have an out of sight out of mind mentality with them, too. And when my mother suggests that I switch my major from english to neuroscience in order to help my autistic nephew, I am repelled by the idea and think "but what about me and my life"?

3. My ex - the person I lost my virginity to (sorry, I'm not shy about sharing information) over a year ago who I shared a two month relationship with. I feel like I loved him and that parts of me still love him, but when it comes to romantic partners, my view of love is somewhat obsessive. I crave the person and need to be around them, need to know who they're with and where they are and who they text the most often and I need them to be known as mine. I think this obsession may have driven him away - but then again he was a spineless bastard anyhow (There! I did it again! I can feel such disdain for someone I claim to still love). That obsession, I'm told, isn't love. It's possessiveness. However, I also accepted all parts of him and wanted nothing but the best for him (while we were together. Now, I hope he is miserable and regrets breaking my heart - or ego, whichever). Is that unconditional acceptance I felt for him not love? Even though the second we broke up I could list a thousand different things I hated about him (through tears of course)? Of course, I got things out of the relationship so I wonder, was I more in love with him or what he provided for me? And is this lingering feeling I have for him just a deflated ego from him being the one to end things? I'd hurt him if I could, but I'd also cherish him if he were around. I think. Depends on how I feel when I see him. 

4. Current guy I'm sleeping with - I want to be with him and possess him even though I'm leaving for a year for college. Because I'm leaving, he is iffy about tying the knot - as in asking me to be his girlfriend, not marriage. Although he says he'll stay faithful to me while I am gone and keep communication and will visit, I want him to be mine so the escape route would be less easy. However, I also want to explore other options the year I will be gone without him knowing because if he knew he would not be faithful to me and me alone. I feel that I like him a lot, almost to the point of love. However, I want to do whatever I want but tie him down. I also don't know why I like him. I'm not physically attracted to him and I've had better sex, but maybe it's because of the constant communication I get from him? 

5. Sometimes I feel really awful for the poor and forlorn. I feel bad about being nasty to my mother occasionally although most of the time she deserve it, and I feel bad about my nephew being autistic and my sister being depressed. I have the ability to cry although most of the time it's for selfish reasons. I feel bad for myself often, and I have been diagnosed with depression and anxiety which I have heard sociopaths don't experience. All my depression I can blame on others easily and I can shed selfish tears and stay in bed for weeks and hate myself. And all my anxiety I can blame on my impulsivity, procrastination, and lack of time (although the lack of time I can blame on being the fault of others who waste my time). So I can't be a sociopath, right? I feel for others occasionally, even those who I do not know personally. Although I make a rational decision wether or not I should help those people and how it would benefit me and how much time and energy I would have to expend, I still FEEL for them. So I can't be a sociopath, right? So, if you have read this too-long post, you tell me. Am I a sociopath? Do I have emotions? Do I feel for others? Can I love?

 

Reasons I may not be a sociopath: see above. Plus low self esteem at times.

 

Reasons I may be a sociopath: Bad upbringing (physically and verbally abusive mother and sexually abusive father who is now in prison). Impulsive. I have used and then dumped people - but only people lacking in intelligence or willpower. I am possibly lacking in the emotions department. Promiscuous (I lost my virginity a little over a year and a half ago and already I have slept with or had full sexual relationships with six males and plan to conquer many more). Calculating of costs and benefits (although I only recently realized I subconsciously do this). Seeks revenge when slighted or ego has taken damage. Apathetic yet ambitious at the same time. History of petty crimes like a fight or two but mostly shoplifting or petty theft. And whatever else you may have learned about me in the above paragraphs. Also, I have taken some tests and half say I am a sociopath and half say I'm not. I get stuck on questions about emotions since I'm never sure which or if any are mine. And I tend to lie a lot even when it's unnecessary - even to myself - so I'm never sure if my tests are accurate or if I lied. 

 

Am I an awful person?

 

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i dont know. Are you?

and i dont mean to Be rude but i don't give a shit ;) bye bye

 

 

 

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it seems like you're perplexed by the fact that you don't always feel exactly the same as you used to. 

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You've been neglected and abused your whole life. You feel like you're special and smarter than the rest, and you probably are, given the length and depth of your post. You have emotions, 'cept they've been deadened over the years by abuse and neglect. You care for others and wish they would give back the same amount of dedication you give them.

One of your parents is probably a sociopath. You have sociopathic blood in you.

by MercyAnn
Reasons I may be a sociopath:

Bad upbringing (physically and verbally abusive mother and sexually abusive father who is now in prison). Impulsive. I have used and then dumped people - but only people lacking in intelligence or willpower. I am possibly lacking in the emotions department. Promiscuous (I lost my virginity a little over a year and a half ago and already I have slept with or had full sexual relationships with six males and plan to conquer many more). Calculating of costs and benefits (although I only recently realized I subconsciously do this). Seeks revenge when slighted or ego has taken damage. Apathetic yet ambitious at the same time. History of petty crimes like a fight or two but mostly shoplifting or petty theft. And whatever else you may have learned about me in the above paragraphs. Also, I have taken some tests and half say I am a sociopath and half say I'm not. I get stuck on questions about emotions since I'm never sure which or if any are mine. And I tend to lie a lot even when it's unnecessary - even to myself - so I'm never sure if my tests are accurate or if I lied. 

Am I an awful person?

Your father is a sociopath. Your mother is clever. Depression and autism runs in your family, you're more likely along those lines, in which case you'd be able to curb your sociopathic behaviors by further "depressing" yourself. You should probably seek out a doctor for these traits, medication does wonders...

Does that make you an awful person? I don't think so. We've all done awful things in our lifetime, to some degree.

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I am guessing you are still in early stages of grief in response to the abuses. This takes time and a deep cleansing process to clear it off your conscience. In the meantime you will carry it in the back of your closets and it will affect you. Part of your energy is used to hold back and sort things out still inside. So you only have room to deal with just the basics to survive and get by.

Its like having your CPU working on so much in the bckground that your computer is slow and takes forever to process or respond because there's not a lot of real free space.

You have the capcity but it's being used by so much unresolved stuff from the past, it just takes time to clear off more spce so you can think clearly about what you want or need to do.

You may still be grieving if you dont feel completely free and healed of things from the past, they are still with you and using your emotional space and energy to sort some things on hold.

Give it time, clear out old feelings before taking on new relations. Th. More unwanted feelings you forgive and clean out, the more room for positive ideas and energy you can use for you. So clean out your attic and closets one at a time. Get rid of any unwelcome thoughts you dont want in your house and start collecting and decorating with thoughts and inspirations that make you happy.

As you clean house, there will be more room for the feelings and relations that dont fit in right now. Focus on yourself one step at a time before you worry about others. If you want to assess where you are in steps, look up examples like the 5 stages of grief, 17 steps of forgiveness, or 12 steps of recovery and see what applies. Each stage is your minds way of focusing andworking on different areas.

So follow and work with your mind to clean up loose ends and old thoughts or feelings. Just like sorting junk in your attic, decide what you want to keep or throw out. Work with your conscience dont fight it, and it will tell you what you need to do or where to.go next. Look for ways to enjoy the process, make it fun so it takes the fear away.

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Nice, neat post.

An "out of sight, out of mind" policy is pretty common, I'd say. You don't have to be a sociopath for that one.

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You're only an awful person if you do awful things. Whoever said it's the thought that counts was lying.

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Seems to me that your mum is a self righteous cunt and you need to stand up to her. You let her deride you for being cold and unempathetic even though she's the one who's abusive towards you? Do you still let her beat you too? The next time she goes off on one, point out her hypocrisy then punch her in the neck. Just out of interest and seeing as you're not shy about sharing information, what exactly did your dad do to you? Did your mum know about it? Were you the one who got him locked up? Also almost everything you described about yourself seems more in line with BPD than sociopathy in my opinion. But then I don't actually know you which makes my opinion as worthless as those online tests you took and this entire thread a waste of time. Go see a therepist if you want to figure yourself out.

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The mixture of curiosity and disinterest is amusing. 

I definitely do not let my mother hit me any more. Or rather, I've learned her behavioral patterns and have learned to avoid it. My father had the habit of watching me shower and directing me while I showered, unclothed spankings and run of the mill molestation in the "get naked, lie on this bed and let me touch you" sense. Although I read often about "if anyone touches you or makes you uncomfortable even if it's a family member tell someone", I couldn't wrap my young mind round the fact that my father would be doing something potentially harmful toward me, even though everything made me feel uncomfortable - sick, really. Thus, it was not me but his other daughter, my half sister, who sent him to prison. Apparently she had it much worse for many years and planted the idea in my father's head for him to move on to me instead, but when he decided he wanted to continue using her as well as he eased me into things, she decided to just send him to jail. When she finally spoke out, I was 12 and she was 19. She and I were never close and we haven't spoken in years. I much prefer the company of my other sister, with whom I share the same mother who is also the one I mentioned in my original post. My parents were divorced for quite some time and all the abuse my father did unto me took place at his house or his girlfriend's on weekends, holidays and summers. Out of sight of my mother who lived in a different city. She claims to not have seen the signs, although even if she had she wouldn't have reacted much. She likes keeping appearances more than anything. 

I saw a therapist, who sent me to a psychiatrist who wanted to medicate me to which my mother said "that would make me look bad". So I plan to see another therapist in the fall or winter. 

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Remember that sociopathy is a clinical label—it is not something that actually exists. Sociopathy is not a physical entity; it's an abstraction clinicians devised to categorize a set of people according to their behavior, to better handle them.

As for your question which asked if you have emotions...of course you do, everyone does. If you had none you would lay in bed all day urinating and defecating yourself apathetically, perhaps only moving to get nutrients because your brain stem is demanding them. But I am guessing that the reason you ask is that you find your own emotional experience in contrast to that of what others seem to feel. In my opinion, the differences you are noticing are not so much caused by having 'different emotions' as it is by a difference in how you process the events around you, and how you relate to others at a fundamental level. The cause of that is your own perception of the world.

You asked if you can feel for others. Above that question you gave several examples of how you do care for others. Are you confused by the fact that as they leave your presence, your feelings for them also gradually diminish? Caring for others does not mean you need to feel for those you care for all of the time. We all relate to others and feel for others in different ways and degrees. In regards to your question about love, I don't think it impossible for you, but it is doubtful to me that you are in a place right now where that could be possible.

Feelings of detachment are not unusual for those who have experienced abuse. If you were never given the opportunity to form normal emotional attachments and relationships to others, you cannot expect that suddenly you would have that ability. People who have grown up in abusive families often have many issues to work out (even if they don't feel like they have any), and that takes time.

I believe the most important question you can ask yourself is, what do you want? If you can figure that out, it will give you focus, and you will discover yourself in the process of meeting your goals.

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