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by spite

Yeah my idea is somewhat like a therapists approach. The patient is made to see things in a "new light", and then makes the choice of me over the therapist while under the impression that neither therapist nor I have actively made them think such a thing.

Maybe small remarks, that slowly but surely create a psychological momentum in the patient, to your favor. It's interesting because a therapist is supposedly a passive player, but with so much power. It makes me think I have to appear passive myself or the patient may doubt me.

& as to your idea, maybe you mean something like casting the negative role the therapist has given you, back to the therapist? Changing your behavior is an obvious solution too, but who the hell keeps that up permanently, you know?

You basically do not want to go up against the therapist.

Do not contest anything they say, be entirely co-operative.

Just ask questions to get as much information as you can, casually, over the course of a few days, not all at once, and start doing the opposite of what the therapist is suggesting.

Prove the therapist wrong with actions. Do not try empty promises, and do not be confrontational.

Some people will follow the word of an authority over anothers no matter what. So you have to prove the authority is wrong with action.

"How to undermine the patients trust of the therapist?"

Show how impersonal the therapist's approach is compared to your own. Ask how someone who only sees them so often can give advice better than someone who sees them all the time in their natural environment (assuming you do see the person more than a therapist). A therapist only has the behaviors when the patient is seen to go by, the words of the patient to go by, while you can outright study the patient more in depth.

Show how experience is better than "just" dipping your nose into a book to understand the world, followed by answers that could be found from said book expressed as if learned from similar experiences or other people alongside research.

It also helps to point out the flaws of the therapist's approach (there will always be flaws), mentioning the therapist is still subject to "human error", and to try to point out what the therapist is likely to say to the subject before the therapist says it (stealing it's thunder).

I've had to unravel past therapy in the past for better progress. It's a shame to see someone functioning as if they are what they're not from a simple miscommunication (for example, seeing "depression" without seeking if it's contextual, chemical, or the byproduct of something else entirely).

It's also worth mentioning that you aren't getting rich off the patient, unlike the patient's therapist. It's known that some therapists have kept patients from 100% recovery to keep them coming back. It also helps to appear to know more about the subject than the subject believes to know themselves, which if the person is being overpowered by the therapist can't be too difficult, can it? You could even BS parts of it to affect how the person sees themselves down the road as long as you give no reason to doubt how it not only makes sense, but is relateable to both you (or at least appear to be) and the subject in question.

The key parts are the appearance of knowledge, experience, and relateability. Appear to have a higher product of those three when combined than the therapist and you'll likely have more influence eventually thanks to an increased appearance of understanding. Undermining the education of the therapist by pointing out a variety of perspectives, pointing out how suggestive people can be (to decrease the weight of your own actions in that area by seeming to "not be secretive"), and the human error attribution is likely to show you as "better than a disconnected therapist" through "Understanding". How likely is the patient to leak the tactics you'd be pulling to the therapist itself?

make out the therapist (or therapists) in general have another agenda, just to get the patient medicated or whatever. try and agree or be open to small changes the therapists suggest, so you don't just seem to be freaking out at a loss of control. therapy is going to be difficult if it's actually working, use this to your advantage

Basically what's going to happen is that your old pal spit has to have an indirect power struggle over a person, with a therapist. The therapist seems to be saying I'm unhealthy for the kind of person she is, but sprite disagrees a lot. Let's leave what the patient thinks out of this because I want answers that are applicable to general situations like this and not to only this specific one. I included my more personal account so it's easier to understand what I'm talking about lol.

Now the relationship between therapist and patient is unbalanced in that the therapist holds very much of the power. A simple suggestion could make a patient cut someone out of their life completely. There are other problems here that'll come up as you ponder it I'm sure. Any suggestions?

Maybe something that answers these: How do you gain more power or trust in a relationship than a fuckin' therapist?

How to undermine the patients trust of the therapist?

Don't feel limited to my questions, add anything you'd like. Think out loud. But I probably won't answer very many questions myself lol.

Just be aware that you are now on the chopping block and being tested...

Prove to your friend that you are better than your therapist because you can change when the therapist is doing nothing more than driving a wedge through something good.

Ask... "Why am I bad? How can I change?" and make change for as long as you need to do it...

That is how you win...

Ah, I appreciate the thoughtful response. I wholly agree, and now I'm just thinking about what I can do if anything goes wrong. If I fuck up the act, let some annoyance slip, or something.

Contriving up some story about my own terrible experience with therapists of my own is doable but I'm sure the therapist who is against me would see through that, assuming they never will hear the story from ME face to face. Other than that I can think of nothing other than throwing my hands up and saying "fuck it" to the whole thing lol.

Well, using the tactics you suggested would be almost definitely relayed to the therapist. But Mr Omega's suggestions would NOT be relayed I think in many situations like this. Even if it were, the therapist would be stepping useful boundaries if they were to call bullshit on my change of character. That gives me another idea lol.

I need to think about this more, but somehow making the therapist overstep their boundaries so that the patient decides to stop seeing that therapist. Maybe they will stop therapists altogether if we rinse and repeat?

by spite

Creedmoor this situation hasn't even happened yet lol. Anyway, you do things to get things. Sometimes it is an intangible thing, sometimes not. Sometimes it's something in the now, and sometimes it's something in the future. But everything we do is motivated by the idea of getting something. No selfless act, or even god is exempt to this. So that answers that, I hope.

Now I was confused by your post at first because of the way you worded things, but after thinking a moment I saw that it was you who didn't understand my original post in the first place lol. If English isn't your first language I will be more than happy to reword it for you. If not, we're only going to keep having trouble talking with each other and should probably stop to save both of us the trouble lol.

 I was speaking from my perspective on the scenario. I didn't know I was supposed to approach this from a second or third parties perspective. Maybe we shouldn't speak if you were not able to pick up on that. lol

Yeah I need to think about what to do if for some reason I DO appear to be freaking lol.

Creedmoor this situation hasn't even happened yet lol. Anyway, you do things to get things. Sometimes it is an intangible thing, sometimes not. Sometimes it's something in the now, and sometimes it's something in the future. But everything we do is motivated by the idea of getting something. No selfless act, or even god is exempt to this. So that answers that, I hope.

Now I was confused by your post at first because of the way you worded things, but after thinking a moment I saw that it was you who didn't understand my original post in the first place lol. If English isn't your first language I will be more than happy to reword it for you. If not, we're only going to keep having trouble talking with each other and should probably stop to save both of us the trouble lol.