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Lifting People up Vs. Tearing Them Down


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Is it really so black and white? Is it really the difference between strong people and the weak?

 

Above It All

 

"Those who lack the strength to be themselves are always trying to tear down those who do."

True?

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Weakness comes in many shapes, so does strenght.

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Agree with Mirage.

 

Weak people seek to pull you down and weaken you; only the strong will encourage you, and lift you higher.

 

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by Rayven

Is it really so black and white? Is it really the difference between strong people and the weak?

 

Above It All

 

"Those who lack the strength to be themselves are always trying to tear down those who do."

True?

 Black and white,  if we keep simplifying.  Strong and the weak - matter of interpretation.  The same voice may have either effect at the same time, so it all lies within the receiver.

 

Deposuit Potentes Et Exultavit Humiles:

(^ tear down the mighty from their seats & lift up the lowly)

 

 

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The motivation is always what matters. If it is done because of "Those who lack the strength to be themselves are always trying to tear down those who do.", or jealousy or insecurity, etc.(what was described in the link), then its a weakness, because when you suck, you should try not to suck instead of imagining that everyone suck with you.

However there are also other motivations  to "tear people down".

"Lifting people" is a different story...

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That's true. A good majority of people who have stood around publicly flapping their gums and waving their pointer fingers at me claim that they were trying to help me in some way.

Whether or not they were telling the truth is as good as anybody's guess. I get the impression that a third or so did sincerely believe that their actions would somehow be beneficial to me.

It's not always so black or white as lifting/ tearing, caring/ jealousy, like/ despise. That's the nature of our dichotomized society. The lines are all too often blurred into obscurity. Good manipulators and concern trolls count on this fact to do their dirtiest (and sometimes their funniest) work.

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Strength comes from being challenged, since being challenged keeps you sharp or gives you issues to overcome. Weakness comes from comfort, from a lack of effort, from raw apathy. As such, I think to mock someone is to challenge them, while letting someone remain flawed pushes their weaknesses further. I see it like stoking a campfire; If you leave it alone, the fire will eventually go out.


"You need to understand what drives the jests, the mockery, and/or the disproving remarks of those who seek to demean you, reduce you, manipulate you, judge you, control you, or put you down in some fashion, which is: Their envy, their jealousy, and/or their own bitter self-loathing."
Yes, clearly people are mocked because the ones mocking are just jealous. We all yearn to become the court jester, the town drunk, or the retarded tryhard. Seems legit.


"Take note: No one who is truly confident or happy with themselves makes a sport of belittling others."
It fits with why comedy people are so depressed, but come on, no one?


"This is also why negative people are the first ones to try to squash your dreams; they lack the courage to follow their own."
Whoever wrote this sounds like s/he is in some form of narcissistic pain. Negative views have worth and value for challenging a person or setting them on the right path, especially if their "dreams" are delusional or unrealistic. Analysts and Realists have value.


"(Weak people seek to pull you down and weaken you; only the strong will encourage you, and lift you higher.)"
What if they don't care at all about the person? Is that neither strong or weak?


"True confidence is much like strength, it requires no accessorizing. It feels no need to prove itself to others, for it is effortlessly accentedby its own comfortable natural-flowing nature. Arrogance, on the other hand, is a bit different. Arrogance is an insecure man's imitation of confidence."
What if they feel confident about their arrogance? See it as their strength?

What if the person is a more sarcastic arrogant, like Spiderman?


"When one fully embraces themselves, and fully understands the motives ofthose who are critical of them, they then become impervious (totally resistant) to the judgments, the mockery, the taunting, the teasing, or to being guilt ridden back into a state of control."
That can be a bad thing, depending on the views they carry (Zomg Moral Myopia moment!).


"One who has ascended to this higher mental plane will brazenly laugh in the face of those who attempt to manipulate, mock, or criticize them back into the shackles of external approval."
Got to love when the author pats itself on the back~


"From this vantage point one can clearly see the envy of the heckler, thedelusions of the self-righteousness judgmental asshole, or the bitterness in the poisoned Nay Sayer."
To the point of blinding themselves to the possibility of other answers even~

Throwing those labels at "nay sayers" just serves to blind yourself. Opinions from outside your little box can be very valuable.


"When you fully understand the actual motivations of these people you will understand that their words as mere projections which are representative of themselves, and not you at all. You will no longer personalize their remarks, or even accept them. Instead, you will see right through them and identify the true nature of their words: Their envy, their jealous, their negativity, their insecurity and/or their own self-loathing."
Alright, it's not self-back patting, the author appears to be masturbating with the English language. Oh the pain this author must feel to get off to this sort of thing.

I love how the very author who claims it's bad to naysay and name call does the very same thing to show why other people aren't worthy of merit.


"People often attempt to instill into others the very fears that plague them."
Fear is good if you use it properly. Fearlessness leads to laziness and recklessness, it makes one sloppy. To face fears is to become strong.


"People who understand the psychology of the people who wish to bring them down will become further empowered by this knowledge."
"Your life will change for the better when you believe the crap I'm writing. If your life is still shit, you must not be believing in it hard enough." Got to love when someone tries to make their gospel unfalsifiable.


"That'd be great advice if I actually had any respect for your opinion."
Yes, because that is always a sign of strength, devaluing the opinions of others to keep your own status quo in check. Sometimes ones sense of security must be broken to introduce better ideas.


"When the target of a social bully values themselves more than the opinion of someone casting such negative remarks in their direction, then the critic is stripped of all of their power. This is when the tables turn. Like any type of bully you may face in life, the bullying stops only once you stand up to it. Let the foul person know that you laugh at their opinions rather than give them value. Once you do this, they then lose all their control over you (they crave your hostile reaction and/or your sadness, not your laughter) ... Once the verbal bully, or poisoned, judgmental entity acknowledges your confident resistance, they will predictably give up and move on to a softer target (a person with lower self-esteem and less resistance). In some cases, standing up to a bully with such tenacity will actually gain you their respect - not that you should value it even if offered."
Starting to sound like a victim in denial. This person must have quite the aversion to being challenged.


"You do not need foul people in your life; people can respect you or they can vacate from your presence (this goes for family members as well as friends)."
For that to be the case, you have to actually have something about you that is worthy of respect in the first place. "Foul people" I think are helpful for developing a social tolerance and helping snap someone out of a delusional self-crafted bubble that may be in place from closing out others opinions.


"You must have the courage to live by your own standards, your own values, and your own opinions. For if you don't, you will most assuredly suffer the disparity of living by someone else's."
Or you'll form a more well informed opinion that is grounded by more than your own views. One of those. This person would not last a day in a room full of artistic critique.


The more I read this, the more it sounds like "confidence" to either be a mute or a laughing denial case in social interactions. It's almost like having an opinion be expressed is itself an expression of weakness if it happens to clash with another. If that is the case, I hope the world never becomes "strong", because then, I mean, what would we have left to talk about? Even pleasantries and sycophantic behavior promote weakness. It makes somewhat valid statements of how to carry yourself with strength, but interaction with others seems to be passages filled with pain from the writer.

Strength comes from facing opposition, not denying it. It's when you've fully perceived another's perspective that you can make a more informed perspective of your own worth carrying.

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Excellent breakdown, Turn. Well done.

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It pains me to see people who turn off their ability to see the world around them for their own peace of mind.

These sorts of writings do far more harm than good, for they promote blindness and inflexibility.

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Is there a tldr version?

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