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by TheCrowOnTheFence

You can say it doesn't exist, for the same reason they can say it does.  Because there's no clear cut, set in stone definition.  Everybody makes up their own.  And whatever definition you've given to it, could easily be something that doesn't exist.  That doesn't mean that when other people talk about love, that they're being delusional.

(Though I'll grant you, most people's definitions of love don't quite sync up with the things that they use that word to refer to.)

 The original meaning of the word, referred to a type of desire. You desire to have that person around, which is identical to infatuation, and then after that high, the desire to keep them around. My point was that the reasons they want to keep the person around, is inherently about them and what they want. Usually sex, cuddling, etc....

by Etzel

Of course love exists. Just because you never felt it, does not mean it doesn't exist. Don't you think the concept "love", which exists in all the languages and cultures of the world, was created for a reason?

The concept love is more real than the concept psychopathy.

 Love doesn't mean the same thing in all cultures and languages either. Love really isn't a "thing", its technically many things, many different things, none of which mean what we say they mean. Hence why I said it wasn't real. All of those terms, in different contexts, mean different things. It's not real because its not its own distinct thing.

From the fact that a given concept may have many different (and even contradicting and nonsensical) meanings it does not follow that it is not useful for communication (or "unreal" for that matter). 

The error in your logic is equivalent to saying that "art" does not exist, because no one (besides three or four geniuses that is) can properly define the word. It is true that the vast majority of the definitions of art are stupid and even meaningless, and therefore render the word "art" completely empty with no relationship whatsoever to reality, but for a guy like me "art" is an extremely useful concept. For a moron who says "everything is art" the word is indeed UTTERLY USELESS, because if everything can be defined as being "art", then NOTHING is "art" and the word itself becomes meaningless. 

So, to get back to the word "love": there are indeed extremely retarded definitions of it, but that's not my fault NOR MY PROBLEM. For grandmothers, priests and soccer moms "love" may perhaps be some sort of "altruistic feeling of sympathy or pity towards a thing" or perhaps "a desire to insert one's penis inside a little boy", or whatever it is that makes sense in their stupid heads, but for a genius like me the word "love" merely means "a huge desire to possess and shape a thing". 

How honest, how clean, how true such a definition sounds now! It's almost as if one can now suddenly find love everywhere one looks! Or will you have the nerve to deny me this is a world made of nothing but love?

by Etzel

From the fact that a given concept may have many different (and even contradicting and nonsensical) meanings it does not follow that it is not useful for communication (or "unreal" for that matter). 

The error in your logic is equivalent to saying that "art" does not exist, because no one (besides three or four geniuses that is) can properly define the word. It is true that the vast majority of the definitions of art are stupid and even meaningless, and therefore render the word "art" completely empty with no relationship whatsoever to reality, but for a guy like me "art" is an extremely useful concept. For a moron who says "everything is art" the word is indeed UTTERLY USELESS, because if everything can be defined as being "art", then NOTHING is "art" and the word itself becomes meaningless. 

So, to get back to the word "love": there are indeed extremely retarded definitions of it, but that's not my fault NOR MY PROBLEM. For grandmothers, priests and soccer moms "love" may perhaps be some sort of "altruistic feeling of sympathy or pity towards a thing" or perhaps "a desire to insert one's penis inside a little boy", or whatever it is that makes sense in their stupid heads, but for a genius like me the word "love" merely means "a huge desire to possess and shape a thing". 

How honest, how clean, how true such a definition sounds now! It's almost as if one can now suddenly find love everywhere one looks! Or will you have the nerve to deny me this is a world made of nothing but love?

 The burden of proof is on the believer to prove that it does, in fact, exist. Not on the one who doesn't believe. One can't prove a negative.

I do not know what I have not felt. Maybe you know it and have felt it, please enlighten me as to how it is different from pleasure fucking or being sexually attracted to someone with romantic love? As far as familial love, other than knowing them really well, how is it different than knowing anyone else really well and appreciating them as a person?

OMG. Please spare us from this ridiculous need to argue the biggest argument in human existence. What difference does it make anyway? This fucking need for ideal love? What it comes down to is this: What makes you stick around long after the buzz wears off? What makes you loyal? What are you willing to fight for? If not yourself, than who? Love. Romance. That can be for some, no more than a morphine drip.

Love is something much stronger than some high, I've come to believe. More than some addiction. Something that cannot be defined. So if you are searching for the perfect answer... you have not been to the mountain just yet. 

by Rayven

OMG. Please spare us from this ridiculous need to argue the biggest argument in human existence. What difference does it make anyway? This fucking need for ideal love? What it comes down to is this: What makes you stick around long after the buzz wears off? What makes you loyal? What are you willing to fight for? If not yourself, than who? Love. Romance. That can be for some, no more than a morphine drip.

Love is something much stronger than some high, I've come to believe. More than some addiction. Something that cannot be defined. So if you are searching for the perfect answer... you have not been to the mountain just yet. 

 You just used circular reasoning. I've never been in a relationship where I stuck around after the infatuation was gone, nothing was left after that. So not a good reference for me. As for what makes me loyal? Loyalty, but thats because of honor not love.

You have not defined love. You have not described it. You reiterated what I said in the OP.

So you never ever felt a desire to possess a thing in order to shape it? And you require proof that this desire exists at all in the world? lol, isn't the entire culture and history of mankind enough to "positively prove" the existence of love to you? I don't doubt some beings are capable of loving more than others (because, after all, not everyone is capable of strong feelings and passions), i.e. some beings are capable of having relatively GREATER desires to possess and shape the things possessed than OTHER beings, and this is no doubt what La Rochefoucauld meant when he wrote down these maxims:

Many people would never fall in love had they never heard the word.

and

True love is like the appearance of ghosts: everyone talks about it but few have seen it.

But I mean, what else do you need? How about you actually make an effort to SEE the world around you? 

lol, and what is this word "infatuation" you guys are juggling around if not love? How can you people be so blind?

by Etzel

So you never ever felt a desire to possess a thing in order to shape it? And you require proof that this desire exists at all in the world? lol, isn't the entire culture and history of mankind enough to "positively prove" the existence of love to you? I don't doubt some beings are capable of loving more than others (because, after all, not everyone is capable of strong feelings and passions), i.e. some beings are capable of having relatively GREATER desires to possess and shape the things possessed than OTHER beings, and this is no doubt what La Rochefoucauld meant when he wrote down these maxims:

Many people would never fall in love had they never heard the word.

and

True love is like the appearance of ghosts: everyone talks about it but few have seen it.

But I mean, what else do you need? How about you actually make an effort to SEE the world around you? 

 I did say that if it did exist, the only thing it can seem to be is infatuation, but after that is gone, what is left? You feel nothing.

I've seen people whose infatuation lasted for years. Perhaps that is identical to love. So just let any girls you stalk know you love them, see what their response is.

by Machiavelli

I do not know what I have not felt. Maybe you know it and have felt it, please enlighten me as to how it is different from pleasure fucking or being sexually attracted to someone with romantic love? As far as familial love, other than knowing them really well, how is it different than knowing anyone else really well and appreciating them as a person?

"Pleasure fucking" and being "sexually attracted to someone" are SYMPTOMS of love. The same with "knowing really well and appreciating a person". 

You first feel the DESIRE (i.e. the LOVE) and THEN you insert your penis in her vagina; THEN you build a company and make lots of money; THEN you play Counter Strike 6 hours in a row; THEN you shoot a soccer ball every waking hour of your life; THEN you stage a coup d'etat and create your own vision of an empire; THEN... then! then!

But not everyone is PASSIONATE ENOUGH to bother THAT MUCH with inserting their penises inside her slutty vagina; THAT MUCH to play a shitty game like Counter Strike 6 hours in a row; THAT MUCH to shoot a stupid fucking little ball every waking hour of their lives; THAT MUCH to risk dying in order to build an empire; et fucking cetera. Only the MOST PASSIONATE, the ones TRULY CAPABLE OF LOVING, actually bother with stupid shit like that.

Do you get it? 

So basically, love is a feeling, an emotion. And the only way we become aware of it is by observing its EFFECTS. We then INFER that the CAUSE of all those stupid effects must have been a powerful emotion, so powerful indeed that it utterly incapacitated our brain from thinking logically and allowed us to proceed in idiotic behavior with a good conscience. We then designate that emotion with the word "love". And that's about it. There's nothing "unreal" about it.