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Stay firm with your beliefs. You won't gain anything by pleasing people like that. It's not their fault they never learned how to behave. You do yourself and them much more good by explaining you are not that kind of a person. They are already surrounded by people draining them of energy, you offer nothing new by introducing another vampire in their life. Nobody will dislike you for being positive, and if they do then you don't associate with them.

The grass is greener on this side.

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by Synthetic

More sentimental value, sure, but not more actual value.

Putting in 10 hours of work for $1000 doesn't increase the value of $1000 by 10 hours, it increases the cost of $1000 by 10 hours.

Why do you insist on using money to get your point across. We are talking about the value of appreciation.

Can't you see that someone who has struggled through the hard times in life is more likely to appreciate the things they've earned then someone who has been given everything for nothing?

Living in poverty makes you appreciate the little things.

I don't live in poverty, but I did for awhile when I was a child. We slept on mattresses on the floor and had to walk all the way down to the river just to fetch water so we could wash the dishes and have a bath. If you didn't go first, you would have to wash in someone else's bath water. We also had to use a bucket as a toilet.

Believe me, you have no idea how much it makes you appreciate a working shower and a flushing toilet when you've had to live without one.

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Because I'm talking about the difference between sentimental, personal value and objective, tangible value.

I'd be happy to discuss the value of appreciation in objective terms if you're willing to do so without relying on sentimental personal stories to appeal to emotion.

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Objective value of stuff wasn't the point of this discussion before you brought it up, which confused people. You kinda missed the whole point of what others have been saying.

The point is kinda closer to the opposite, the RELATIVE value of stuff, and how some people are happier with what they have than other people who have the same stuff, just because the difference in mentality.

 

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I already agreed that something can have more sentimental value without having more objective value. But it's possible I'm missing something else. What would the point be, if not that different people value different things based on prior life experience?

 

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So what is it you're trying to say? Systematic commented that people who have had everything given to them have less appreciation and different values from those who have had to work for the same things. Since he is part of the group who has worked to achieve, he's frustrated by his entitled peers.

Sounds legit. That's not a tough concept to understand, is it?  

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"Some people just need to know what it's like to struggle"

Why?

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So they won't be so entitled, irritating, and uninformed, I guess? You don't agree?

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As I said before, I don't place enough value on the idea of struggling to encourage anyone else to experience it, and I don't believe that anyone else's sentimental appreciation can diminish the objective value of what I have or don't have. Nor do I believe that my own appreciation can diminish the objective value of what anyone else has, or doesn't have.

If it's a rant thread, my apologies for derailing it.

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It is all relative. One can be content with little, or greatly dissatisfied with much. I think that the more someone's identity is shaped by superficial values, such as a desire for affluence, or common societal definitions of success and happiness, the more one is apt to lose touch with those things which can bring a deeper satisfaction, based on personal values, goals and interests. I think the majority of people in North America, Western Europe, and Australia underestimate the extent to which their deepest desires and aspirations have been shaped by western societal expectations- the so-called post-modern "American Dream" promulgated by pop culture, and the media.

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