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Bordlines and Sociopaths


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Often times you here it suggested on here that they're polar opposites. In reality, they're just different diagnoses based on different things. Here are some symptoms people with ASPD, Sociopaths and Psychopaths often feel that are similar, if not the same as those with Borderline Personality Disorder:

- Feeling nothing/feeling empty. This may or may not include depression, but is usually in part a lack of feeling that life has a point, purpose and or value. Though BPDs, unlike ASPDs, tend not to be indifferent to this. It's usually an uncomfortable feeling to them, and BPDs often, but not always, try to run from this feeling by engaging in activities that can often be harmful to their health.

- Impaired capacity for empathy is also often present in BPDs

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/here-there-and-everywhere/201112/borderline-personality-disorder-big-changes-in-the-dsm-5

- Impulsivity is big for both groups

- A tendacy to have a bad temper.

- A tendacy towards selfishness, though not a symptom nor trait specifically named out for BPD, it is common in folks diagnosed as such.

- A pattern of unstable relationships

- Promiscuity

That's not to say that they're the same, they're different ways of dealing with the world, but they're not so different. It's just that BPDs tend to be more emotional. Reading the DSM-V criteria, I see why my old therapists used to think I had BPD. I still think both diagnoses are just labels though.

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"lack of feeling that life has a point, purpose and or value. Though BPDs, unlike ASPDs, tend not to be indifferent to this. It's usually an uncomfortable feeling to them, and BPDs often, but not always, try to run from this feeling by engaging in activities that can often be harmful to their health."

 

I slightly relate to this but those potentially harmful activities are not about searching for meaning, they're about enjoying something that feels good. The meaningless part comes in when you try to stop and have to give yourself a reason to. The way to do that is to use logic instead of abstract thinking.

Trying to create a point, purpose, or value is a different thing entirely.

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by prometheusbound

I see why my old therapists used to think I had BPD.

 I take it your new therapist doesn't think you have BPD. What disorder/s does she or he think you have?

What disorder/s do you think you have?

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In regards to BPD, I'd say a lack of empathy and a tendency towards selfishness are more hallmark traits of someone who has both BPD and NPD. The two often coexist, and I'd say it's the narcissistic borderlines that give the label the stigma that it currently has. BPD by itself is rather harmless to others, because the traits directly state that the individual self-destructs inwardly, rather than projecting their issues on to others. A person diagnosed with BPD can also leave a path of destruction in their wake, but that would heavily insinuate they have separate issues not related to the BPD criteria.

I'd say BPD has a tendency more towards self-involvement, rather than selfishness. This is largely due to being so caught up in their turbulent minds all the time, trying to make sense of their emotional impairment and perceptions of themselves/others. A "impaired capacity for empathy" could also be a result of this, seeing as poor emotional regulation would make it difficult to see beyond their own problems, and put themselves in another person's shoes. A fragmented sense of identity could hinder a person's capacity for empathy as well.

Cluster B personalities are localized within the same spectrum for a reason. I think BPD has more in common with NPD than ASPD, however.

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Who gives a fuck about children? Seriously, all adults were once children. Little shit heads can be skinned alive just the same.

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.......... borderline is one of the commonly coexisting disorders of sociopathy(aspd)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder

 

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by Thrill Kill

 I take it your new therapist doesn't think you have BPD. What disorder/s does she or he think you have?

What disorder/s do you think you have?

 While I'm not sure yet, just got the psychological testing done. She seems to be leaning towards PTSD (a diagnosis I also had in the past), but its my psychiatrist that handles that. He thinks I'm stable enough off meds, and I went to see one to get the testing done (though it was because my previous psychiatrist was a nurse practitioner). I don't know what the other one thinks.

As for me, the same as I've told you I've felt before. I think that I have anger issues and certain deficits that make me have traits of many disorders, as does 90% of the human race at one point or another, but I still think that I'm going to be provided another meaningless diagnosis.

I know that I've hinted that I was sociopathic, and I do have traits. Though I doubt I have a full on disorder. There's nothing new to what I've said, and yet you keep trying to catch me on that? Didn't you used to do that at the old forum?

How's your daughter doing lately?

by omgyjyaSwitch7

Cluster B personalities are localized within the same spectrum for a reason. I think BPD has more in common with NPD than ASPD, however.

 Both ASPD and BPD adolescents are often first diagnosed with conduct disorder. Often times also, their anger and destruction is directed outward, whether or not they have NPD features. Honestly,  I think all three have their distinctions but almost equal similarities.

by FauxAffablyEvil

Who gives a fuck about children? Seriously, all adults were once children. Little shit heads can be skinned alive just the same.

 Forsake civility all in the name of appearing badass on an online forum.

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I know that I've hinted that I was sociopathic, and I do have traits. Though I doubt I have a full on disorder. There's nothing new to what I've said, and yet you keep trying to catch me on that? Didn't you used to do that at the old forum?

I ask you two simple questions and you get all defensive over it. Every time you do this you show me how insecure you are.

There was no reason to defend yourself because I wasn't attacking you.

 

How's your daughter doing lately?

 She's doing quite well.

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