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three spheres of existence


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These are from a Philosopher named Kierkegaard.

1. The Aesthetic Level of Existence. This phase can be summarized as living for oneself.

2. The Ethical Sphere of Existence. At this level a person thinks and acts towards the benefit of others not oneself.

3. The Religious Sphere of Existence. Instead of living for yourself or others, you are living for your God(religious beliefs)

Is it possible that a sociopath is just stuck in the first sphere?

On the other hand, horrible acts have been done in the name of religion, are these people sociopaths?

 

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I've heard from these in school. Was one of my exam questions...

Kierkegaard said, that the spheres could only reached one after the other, none can be skiped.

So, no one who is really a sociopath would act for the others benefit, when he doesnt get something. Maybe I do good things to others if I need later other things. But this was not what Kierkegaard meant, I think.

People who act in name of religion, have a strong (and mostly false) belief, the think they're acting for a better world, these people are in my opinion not sociopaths.

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Good post. I think a sociopathic person could be at any of these levels, or a mix at different times.

Someone who is so engrossed in that mindset that they have no other awareness could be at #1

Others may struggle between #2 and #3.

What I found is that forgiving the past and healing from injustices or wrongs (in this lifetime or previous generations with sins/karma passed down that incarnates in later generations) breaks the cycles and allows liberation.

This happens in stages. So people can change within the same lifetime, depending on their spiritual path in life.

As for your three levels, I see they correspond with the trinity of human nature: body mind and spirit. These 3 levels are all parts of human experience. If some levels are obstructed, it isn't that they don't exist but we are imbalanced.

by resolving conflicts then there is HARMONY restored between the three levels. And collectively this process is ongoing for all humanity. This same trinity is represented in Buddhism, Constitutional law, Christian symbolism, etc. It represents the collective whole of humanity: body mind and spirit. physical psychological and spiritual. aligned and in harmony. If there is imbalance, blockage or conflict, it is from past karma that isn't fully resolved yet.

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My body is different from my brain...

But maybe he is more clever, because my body shows signs of nervousness, while I'm thinking: This is not a challenge.

And when the others see that I'm breathing faster or such things, they think, I'm a nice guy, who is nervous... Ok, I can speak normal and clear.

But sometimes, I can also make my body a bit tremble or breathe faster, because I think of this.

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I'm at level 1 and I'm content to stay there. Fuck helping others and fuck religion.

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So level one corresponds to body.(Physical)

Level two reflects the mind. 

Level three is the spirit.

 

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by iammask

These are from a Philosopher named Kierkegaard.

1. The Aesthetic Level of Existence. This phase can be summarized as living for oneself.

2. The Ethical Sphere of Existence. At this level a person thinks and acts towards the benefit of others not oneself.

3. The Religious Sphere of Existence. Instead of living for yourself or others, you are living for your God(religious beliefs)

Is it possible that a sociopath is just stuck in the first sphere?

On the other hand, horrible acts have been done in the name of religion, are these people sociopaths?

 

 

I'm definitely in the first sphere.

Within that sphere, I use my self to help others when I want to, and to feel religious when I want to.

I prefer to stay in the first sphere, and branch out when I want to.  It's really romantic to get ideas of sacrificing the self, but if you don't put your energy into yourself, you have nothing to sacrifice.

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by iammask

So level one corresponds to body.(Physical)

Level two reflects the mind. 

Level three is the spirit.

 

 Yes or any variation thereof. Such as id/ego/superego OR human individual/human relations/collective humanity

these are all variations of the "relationship" between the one and the whole, or two opposite dualties,

where the connection becomes the third element. And the point is to unify or harmonize/balance these 3 as 1.

(Also checks and balances between 3 branches of govt, another good example of this universal theme in humanity) 

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Is it possible that a sociopath is just stuck in the first sphere?

On the other hand, horrible acts have been done in the name of religion, are these people sociopaths?

 

It's likely a sociopath would be stuck in the first sphere, but not necessarily. Regardless of their impulsivity they can make decisions and are able to recognize the benefits to being of service to others for the sake of stability. 

The horrible acts done by Christianity for example, are in fact contradictory to what that religion is suppose to stand for. To know this is true, all one has to do is look into what the Lord has been saying, and one would see how religion is governed by man. 

There was a time where Cat's were assumed to be affiliated with witchcraft, so they were regarded as Satanic by Christianity. Cats were slaughtered in large numbers, in turn there was a rat infestation, so it was learned the hard way that cat's are good.

This is man's error. The thing about religion is it never suggests to it's followers to be on the lookout for when the religious leaders themselves go against their own teachings. I'll share my views on the rest of these spheres, as this Kierkegaard calls them. 

 

by iammask

These are from a Philosopher named Kierkegaard.

1. The Aesthetic Level of Existence. This phase can be summarized as living for oneself.

 

 

Living for oneself is how we all start off until some eventually grow out of that idea. It's always others who empower us regardless of what position we have during the exchange, we've never truly been alone up to this point. A society based on the mindset to carry on serving only the self, is no match for a mindset of a community that looks after one another. Those who are looked after and also look after others, have it a lot easier, and there is so much more gain. Usually the soloist is miserable, even if they are psychopathic. The thing about that, they don't feel certain things, so when they are feeling empty, they just suffer, while to them, the solution must be a gain in status and materials. Maybe this is why for a sociopath, fantasies of power and wealth are unlimited. 10 Trillion wouldn't be enough. That said, I'd assume this level of existence to be of lower consciousness compared to the next one.

 

 

2. The Ethical Sphere of Existence. At this level a person thinks and acts towards the benefit of others not oneself.

 

 

There will come a time when we are useful to others, as they are useful to us. Without one another, things wouldn't go as smoothly.

Removing the self from the equation, and looking at a society where everyone is about the self, then looking at another society where everyone is out to benefit all. It would be easy to see which society would out due the other. Two heads will always be better than one, as would 3,4,5 and so on. And yes, the first sphere is elemental in this observation, cause we must also include, maintain and manage ourselves. 

 

 

3. The Religious Sphere of Existence. Instead of living for yourself or others, you are living for your God(religious beliefs)

 

 

The way to bare fruit for God, can be found in the second sphere. 

Luke 6:31: Do onto others, as you would have others do unto you. - Jesus Christ

Of course there is also the Satanic religion, Satanism, which seems to me has more in common with the first sphere of existence. But whatever God or religion one means to serve, there is no escaping the first or second sphere. Regardless of what anyone believes, they can still read between the lines and see what they don't believe in has to say, and in that. Everything we do, whether it's secular or not, is spiritual.

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Today is the birthday of artist Alice Aycock whose 'Three-Fold Manifestation II' (1987, 2006) is currently on view at Storm King until the season closes on December 1st.

On Three-Fold Manifestation II, Aycock notes, "The most obvious source of Three Fold Manifestation II is Gropius' design for three theaters. I was working a lot with these stepped bowl-like forms; I would take astronomical diagrams and imagine the space that would be generated by these drawings. What I was thinking a lot about was, that during the Medieval period and the Renaissance, artists illustrated people walking off into paradise through a whirling hole in the world, a tumbling structure... an ascent into the hole of the universe."

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