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People who label themselves Agnostic...


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I'm getting tired of the amount of people I see label themselves simply Agnostics because they assume it's the more logical and open minded stance on things.

The thing is, Agnosticism isn't on the same battleground as Atheism and Theism. Theism requires a belief in a deity. Atheism is a lack of belief in Gods existing due to a lack of evidence, it's not a belief that god's don't exist, it's a stance out of skepticism. Until you show Atheists the evidence, they will remain skeptical and have a lack of belief. Atheists don't claim to know that there definitely isn't a God or that they can prove it, which is why Atheism is not a closed minded choice and it's not a faith based belief.

Agnosticism is a realization of absolute truth, that we cannot know for sure, based on the information available to us, if a god exists or not. 

I'm Agnostic and an Atheist. You can be an Agnostic Theist. You can have faith in a God, but at the same time realise that we can never be completely sure of a particular God's existence or a God's attributes.

People who simply label themselves Agnostic are actually mostly Atheists who just don't want to make the step in claiming that they have a lack of belief in God's, because they think it's as close minded as Theism. They don't want to call themselves Atheists because they don't think it's right to reject the idea of a God outright. But Atheism isn't a certain belief that a God does not exist, it's just a lack of belief based on a lack of evidence. 

Do you reject the idea of Goblins? Or are you going to claim that the information is not available to you to make the decision on whether or not to reject their existence?

You don't have to belief for certain that a God does not exist to be Atheist, you just have to be skeptical, and see that there's not enough evidence so we can dismiss the idea until evidence is presented to us, just like we do with Unicorns, Dragons and Gandalf. 

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Thank you Belial, well said. My bf is an agnostic who believes there is some kind of God.

I also get in trouble with people for saying Buddhists and Muslims can be Christian. And liberal/prochoice progressives like me can be Constitutionalists. People get labels pigeonholed in their heads. And it's hard to let go.

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An Atheist is someone who does not believe in the existence of God.

A Theist is someone who believes in the existence of a God or Gods, especially belief in a personal God as creator and ruler of the world.

An Agnostic is one who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.

 

I'm Agnostic and an Atheist.

You can't be both. If you're uncertain whether or not God exists, then you're Agnostic. Atheists are certain in their belief that God does not exist.

I'm Agnostic. Not because I think it's wrong to reject the idea of a God outright (I don't think it's wrong at all), but because I am a skeptic. I'm just not sure if God exists.

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Everything is god...all at once...it must be

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I've seen people who don't know from a lack of trying/caring also use the Agnostic label. Agnostic isn't the lazy answer for everyone, but it certainly is for a startling amount of people who seem to hate talking about philosophy, or hate focusing on the idea of what comes beyond the present.

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I consider myself agnostic.  I lean both theist and atheist on different matters and enjoy exploring both sides of the question.  What I can't stand are extremists on either side.  Hard Atheists frustrate me just as much as conservative Christians or Jihadist Muslims.  I tend to believe the truth is somewhere in between the party lines, both in politics and religion.

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