Excuse the delayed response, I had a guest here and I was in the other thread before I saw this.
by emilynghiem
Ok SM lets compare notes. I believe in reaching consensus between theists and nontheists on universal meanings of what god jesus and laws represent. The first steps are mapping out terms and concepts we do believe in and also understanding how forgiveness works to help resolve conflicts and solve the very problems we cant forgive.
Quantum physics is the tool that will bridge the gap between religion and science, as quantum physicists believe there is only 1 consciousness, and that consciousness is behind all things in the universe. The scientific atheist is sold on the idea, there is no consciousness behind all of this design, but it all happened by chance. They believe that all of this came from nothing, yet at the same time insist it is impossible to create or destroy energy (matter). On a side note matter is said to explain unknown substance or a building block material or any particle.
I think it's a matter of pride that keeps some atheist from moving on from what they have been told, I could be wrong, but I don't see why they would accept such a contradictory of energy being created from nothing while knowing it to be impossible, then go ahead and insist this is all a roll of the dice, they continue to argue what the text book says. Mind you text books often go obsolete and need updating.
Both theist and atheist are hard wired, most theists believe in the creator simply because it's what they were raised to believe, while for the atheist in most cases their perspective is also based on faith, by a landslide as well.
One can believe or not, it's not what matters most. What matters is how we do and what choices we make. Forgiveness is in part a condition that will allow us access to easy living. By forgiving it's primarily for the self, it takes away the inner rage, the same type that can lead to organ failure. From a spiritual perspective, none of this is real, and everyone will be okay, it's both serious and not. One who understands with 100% clearity what we're doing here, is capable of forgiving anything. Those who experienced being pronounced clinically dead and had a taste of things to come before their return. They change in amazing ways. Millionaires giving it all up even. They are able to forgive anything, which comes to them easy for obvious reasons. To not forgive is no way to spend an eternity.
So part of the proof process, of showing we all believe or follow the same universal laws or concepts, is to prove forgiveness or letting go objectively allows reconciliation even where our views disagree. Consensus is not forcing ppl to change views or beliefs but letting go.of our perceptions and fears so they can be reconciled that way.
God - wisdom truth love good will creative life force universal energy
Jesus - justice with mercy peace, restorative justice, equal justice under law, natural law by conscience, universal law embodied in man
Holy Spirit - healing grace, human spirit, charity forgiveness community harmony world peace
Satan - fear of unknown, ignorance distrust selfish division
Antichrist - injustice abuse of law or authority for retribution
Excuse the delay again, I was at the neighbors. It's fun living in my new area, especially on weekends.
God - He is the highest and the prime creator. I've adopted some theories about him. (we say him, but I'm thinking he doesn't really have a gender, But he's often depicted as the Father, so who knows) In EVERY NDE case worldwide that suggests the subject met God all say the same thing. He is light. A light brighter than anything one can imagine, a physical eye wouldn't handle looking into. He's also said to be pure love. He'll point at you and invite you over. Does he have time ? Time is not relative there, everyone can interact with everyone including our Lords at any moment. they say the amount of love resonating from him are at levels we couldn't comprehend.
Modern science (Stephen Hawking) suggests the amount of energy that makes the universe is absolute 0. Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it always converts to another form of energy. As you say, Emily, God is energy, and all of these atoms that make up matter ( cause everything is the same substance down to the core) he put it here. Energy is eternal, and it's from a place where everything is relative to eternity. He who has no end, has no beginning, so who made God ? The question is not even relative to the truth. God made space and time though.
A note on religion. We often hear how in all religions it's the same God but the God of Abraham and the God in the Quran are very different. The God in the Quran is pretty cold and has different rules, such as a man can wed multiple wives, where as the God in the Bible insists us guys should only have one. Other details are there if one looks for it, and it's easy in this information age. In the old testament so was the God of Abraham brutal. He ended up sending Christ to save us, maybe from him.
Christ - He is a model of our potential, and when one practices his teachings, things really do run smoothly. Christ suggested we speak from the heart. That means truth, cause in our higher being we can only speak the truth, as we too will become all knowing. Lies are only part of this physical experience, and our purpose is for spiritual growth. For some reason, we grow spiritually quicker here than we do over there. Maybe cause we're kinda left on our own and decide and play out what we'll do, and how we'll treat one another. If we practice negativity, it will shape us, and we'd be ill prepared to go home. Christ spoke of forgiveness long time ago, and it really is a healing experience not only for the self, but for others. I know of some people who refuse to forgive, and years later they sound like a broken record and are consumed in anger. It does take up a lot of time that could be spent doing something more productive. Anger is an overdrive that shortens the lifespan when it's carried too long.We can feel it as the blood rushes, or sometimes it can be like a pain in the chest. Those with high blood pressure are told to clear their minds as a health practice. Take a loss, change, get revenge, do something or nothing, there are always so many options and it is all a part of our making.
NDE cases suggest even for an atheist, when they think they are going to die, and the atheist for some reason asks for Forgiveness even in the heat of the moment, God will wash away your sins and Christ will come and pick you up himself. It's all a matter of returning to source from here.
It's strange, for some reason I cannot think of anything to say about Christ, probably because it's be proven to be a bit of a disservice to him for me to make mention of him in here. In short, no one makes it home without Christ. He is universal law.
Satan - Once the angel Lucifer, he was given command of gold and diamonds and precious jewels and riches. I once read a theory of how God and Satan do love one another, even Satan knows one cannot be eternal without love in their heart. Satan kinda fell pretty far from the tree and has been consumed with ambitions. It's been said that Satan loves things greatly, even things that lead to destruction. Maybe in essence God does too. I believe that in Satanism, Satan wishes to rule heaven, and have everyone and all things there, while God wishes to keep heaven free from acts that damage us. Basically, Satan's way would be for only the strong to survive, while God's way would be for all to have their place.
We were suppose to have a smooth duality experience. We come here, enjoy and experience the effects of the physical, be humble and make the Earth, as it is in heaven. Also, we were created in God's image. Some would say it's his design, but I think when they say God's image, that means he looks human maybe by preference, with no animal head. Because we were created in this image, the angels were to serve God and human. Satan did not like this. So he brought the knowledge. Not just any knowledge for the sake of prosperity or what we figured out on our own, but sin. Every sin has it's consequence, some are nastier than others, and even here are sin reflective or how it could be on an eternal scale. Of course that only increases the value of forgiveness, and it's never really too late to change to a state where we're on course for enlightenment, which is the way any fool would wish to spend eternity.
Even in Ufology, case studies of ET's and alien contactees (need to be careful with stuff like that) It is suggested that we have more DNA structure than any other being that resembles us which makes us royalty on a universal scale, regardless of how advanced we are. They are more advanced cause they are older and they have their shit together, we don't, we're still at a stage in our development where we need to wake the hell up.
The fallen angels were cast onto the Earth (it's possible that they were put here for the sake of higher learning, and Satan himself is here to set and example, who knows, maybe he'll be rewarded for being the villian in this great story we are playing in. Of course I that's just a thought. But yes, as written in the book of Genesis, the fallen ones inter breed with the daughters of man. Anything that is of flesh and bone and compatible with us in anyway, even if it is gene splicing, did not just fly into the Earth's atmosphere without protection, so when asked, these beings, the fallen angels, are what we would call, Aliens. Of course one needn't believe me, and the origen of the fallen is not really all that important, I think. What matters is us and what we're doing for one another, being selfish is the road to death. I'm sure a higher being would see a selfish soul as a parasite that should either be purified or destroyed, I think it's really up to us how we'll end up.
It's gotten late, I'll probably be back later, going back out to hang out with some nice folks. For some reason I felt obligated to finish this, it's not often we talk about important stuff in here.