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Many of the various comments on M.E.'s blog posts have come to the issue of trust.  It seems there is a majority which believe those of empathy are more trustworthy than those with less or a lack of empathy.  When the topic of animals and relationships are discussed, many express that animals are easier to get along with and even love to an extent that might be more than they would a human being.  On the one hand, we laud empathy for its squishy qualities.  For those of a sociopathic bent, emotions aren't a natural phenomena in their own experience.  However, they are quite adept at recognizing them and seem to take a keener interest in the mechanisms that go into how they work.  They may lack a conscience and see emotions as a leverage to use in their activities toward making a life for themselves they like or prefer.

It may have been said and discussed (probably over and over) that both sides, empathy and sociopathy, isn't as easy as two sides to the same binary switch.  It is also a dynamic of logic vs. illogic.  Rational vs. irrational.  Pragmatism vs. altruism.  There seem to be no basis to believe there are any primary colors to the spectrum of human psychology.

From my standpoint, I wouldn't necessarily place more trust in someone with empathy than someone without it (or a limited degree).  I trust logic.  Emotions do have a sort of logic to them, I think.  But, to me, emotions are about as predictable as the weather.  You need to check the climate around you, but with some observation and inferrence, reasonable expectations can be extrapolated.  Someone motivated outside of emotional impetus are more trustworthy, because you can approach the interaction with set influences and, by applying logic, you can have a much higher confidence in the results.  If you deal with someone that doesn't base their relationship on emotion, but purely on measurable and understandable phenomena, then I'd choose that person to entrust with many things I'd never trust someone moved by empathy.

Of course, why wouldn't the person without empathy be able to lie or just change their mind?  This, then, isn't an issue of empathy vs. nonempathy.  There seems like a vast amount of assumptions to be made about the value of emotion.  I just have trouble understanding the wonderfulness of capricious human feelings.  My loyalty is quantifiable.  You can be sure I will do what I say or that I think what I say I think.  If you don't trust me, it's as simple as exploring the likelihood of a logical reason for doing so.  I would undergo a similar period of time getting to know someone, whether empath or not, before I begin placing certain assumptions upon them.

I just don't understand how anyone would find this difficult to understand.

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I find it very hard to trust anyone, empath or not. I know what people are capable of. I know how far some people are willing to go to get what they want and what they're willing to do to get it. I'm one of those people.

Besides, I don't believe in loyalty and if I'm not loyal, then how can I trust anybody else to show loyalty.

I believe trust should be earned, but even when it's earned, there's nothing that guarantees it won't be broken.

People can be unpredictable and unpredictability is dangerous.

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@Toast  Well put.  I agree with this.

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It seems there is a majority which believe those of empathy are more trustworthy than those with less or a lack of empathy. 

Emotion sort of shortcuts the route to trust. In that way, it can form without having to rationalize it, which is arguably an advantage for any group oriented behavior. Disorders that strip empathy would impair that, forcing them to objectively figure why they should or shouldn't trust someone.

They may lack a conscience and see emotions as a leverage to use in their activities toward making a life for themselves they like or prefer.

Everyone participates in the act of manipulation, it's just that most do it unconsciously. Without being distracted by emotion, it's easier to tap into those shortcuts in others, while those with emotion may manipulate others based on how they feel.

As for trust? I'd trust someone who has overly expressive emotion more than someone without emotions at all, simply because they are more predictable and easier to sway by appealing to emotion. Just because I'd trust them though doesn't mean I'd respect them for being so easy.

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@Turncoat -- Very good points.  They are as logically sound as the opposite.  We may be at some border between sociopathy and psychopathy there.  One set uses emotion as a tool, adept at it, seeing them as the lesser for even having emotion.  The other may be thinking since they don't understand emotion, placing distrust upon it, they see no reliable result to pursue.  Both sides, really, seem entirely valid.

You also bring up another interesting notion.  It strikes me as strange that empaths do place emphasis upon emotion validating their feelings as the authority for their behavior.  Because it isn't fettered by logic, it is immune to its deception, they may believe.  They might see those without emotion for being able to peer through it rationally as the threat to trust.  It almost seems ludicrously ironic, doesn't it?

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