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Cuckoo said: 

Jada said: 

I'll straight up say I don't give a shit about abortion and it's not about the woman's body it's about the child's body and it's murder. It's a genocide of 60,000,000+ and the people who support this are the same people who signal a satanic doom and gleefully promote extinction. There are masses of people who feel the same, and this coming cycle is God's will. What's happening is happening and what's about to happen is coming and it'll be what the Lord wants for his America.

Hmm. I'd need some more convincing to take that stance. I sort of get the argument that abortion kills people or prevents the formation of life, but I've spent some time thinking about it and I can't get over the whole bodily autonomy thing.

Would you also support state mandated organ transplants? E.g., that the state would force you to undergo surgery to donate a kidney to your child if he/she needs one and you're the only option they have? How far would you extend the law to? Would it be possible to mandate a similar contract between 2 strangers?

 I wouldn't support state mandated organ transplants. That isn't the same as first degree murder. 

It's smarter to get tubes tied than having multiple abortions, though even that isn't a great thing.

Men should stop having sex with those types of women, and they kinda are since western men are gradually going overseas to find better women.

 

 

 

I don't want to lead the topic astray too much but I am kind of curious why you think it's not murder. I realize it's not the same thing. In one, you're forced against your will, whereas in one you could argue that having sex is a choice and you accept the risk of pregnancy even if you use condom. In one case there is also a natural progression to life, and in another death.

But there is a certain correspondence between the two, to a point that I probably would support mandated kidney transplants with high success rate if I were to adopt an abortion stance.

So I guess to me the essence of the issue boils down to whether or not we should have state mandated organ donation/rent to fetuses and humans in order not to let them die. Banning abortion is one form of state mandated organ donation with a high risk of medical complications and long term effects to the body. The question is whether or not to support other types of state mandated organ donations as well or if there should be special exceptions to these other types, especially those concerning men.

I mean in the end what we are saying is that the state has the right to fuck up and cut women's vaginas and operate on them on a surgical table, against their will. I get that we're doing it to save lives, but still... I mean imagine someone told you that the state was going to take your penis and slice it up and then force you on a surgical table to cut up your belly, to save someone, and you have no say in it.

Jada said: 

Cuckoo said: 

Jada said: 

Hmm. I'd need some more convincing to take that stance. I sort of get the argument that abortion kills people or prevents the formation of life, but I've spent some time thinking about it and I can't get over the whole bodily autonomy thing.

Would you also support state mandated organ transplants? E.g., that the state would force you to undergo surgery to donate a kidney to your child if he/she needs one and you're the only option they have? How far would you extend the law to? Would it be possible to mandate a similar contract between 2 strangers?

 I wouldn't support state mandated organ transplants. That isn't the same as first degree murder. 

It's smarter to get tubes tied than having multiple abortions, though even that isn't a great thing.

Men should stop having sex with those types of women, and they kinda are since western men are gradually going overseas to find better women.

 

 

 

I don't want to lead the topic astray too much but I am kind of curious why you think it's not murder. I realize it's not the same thing. In one, you're forced against your will, whereas in one you could argue that having sex is a choice and you accept the risk of pregnancy even if you use condom. In one case there is also a natural progression to life, and in another death.

But there is a certain correspondence between the two, to a point that I probably would support mandated kidney transplants with high success rate if I were to adopt an abortion stance.

So I guess to me the essence of the issue boils down to whether or not we should have state mandated organ donation/rent to fetuses and humans in order not to let them die. Banning abortion is one form of state mandated organ donation with a high risk of medical complications and long term effects to the body. The question is whether or not to support other types of state mandated organ donations as well or if there should be special exceptions to these other types, especially those concerning men.

I mean in the end what we are saying is that the state has the right to fuck up and cut women's vaginas and operate on them on a surgical table, against their will. I get that we're doing it to save lives, but still... I mean imagine someone told you that the state was going to take your penis and slice it up and then force you on a surgical table to cut up your belly, to save someone, and you have no say in it.

 Slicing up my penis and all of that mutilation crap. Is immoral.

Killing babies is also immoral. The are people. Each and every last one of us has been there. 

If we can time travel, it would be a great crime to go back and cause someone to miscarriage. 

I do think men need to watchout who they hook up with. She might be some witch who'll kill your offspring which are a God given purpose and drag your soul to hell.

The greatest awareness is pro life. And in the next life we'll sleep in the beds we made in this life, and some of us will feel great shame.  

Morality is subjective. Abortion provides numerous benefits to the world and heavily outweighs the grotesqueness of it. Most women do not have abortions on a whim.

Dragoonback said: 

Morality is subjective. Abortion provides numerous benefits to the world and heavily outweighs the grotesqueness of it. Most women do not have abortions on a whim.

He doesn't believe in Overpopulation and sees women working as deviant. 

In general he doesn't seem to really like women unless they're willing to put up with him, hence him leaning MGTOW. 

Tryptamine said:

i liked ramaswamy too

I seriously thought he was a professional clown hired to make the other adjacent Republicans look better. His points worked as prompts to make the others look like the saner choice. 

Jada said: 

So I guess to me the essence of the issue boils down to whether or not we should have state mandated organ donation/rent to fetuses and humans in order not to let them die.

Renting Organs? That seems so dystopian. 

Like what, do the organs stop working past the deadline? Are people who can't afford to keep doing organ rent payments meant to go into debt? 

Is there an organ collector for when people go too far past their debts, and does that allow them to harvest the organs of deviants and criminals? 

Cuckoo said:

If we can time travel, it would be a great crime to go back and cause someone to miscarriage.

If we can time travel, it would be a great crime to sneeze on someone. 

Sneezing must be immoral then. 

It's a bad choice of words. If you're mandating that a fetus can use your organs for 9 months, after which it will return the organ for your use, then I'd say abortion is a form of state mandated organ donation. You're essentially donating your organs to save lives.

If such an arrangement was ok, I'd be inclined to also accept state mandated kidney donations to offspring in emergencies.

Tldr is that I view abortion as a form of organ donation which is why I'm disinclined to accept it. If someone told me they want to pass a law that allowed the state to cut my penis and operate me on a surgical table against my will, to save lives, I'd be protesting. So I don't see how I could support abortion, which gives the government the right to cut up vaginas and perform c sections on women against their will. If giving birth didn't involve a major health risk, cause lifelong changes to the body, and didn't have a high risk of necessitating surgery and genital slicing then I'd support banning abortion.

But I know some women who are terrified of having children because they're afraid of surgery. For me to tell them the government is allowed to force operations on them against their will... I couldn't do that. As Spatial put it, I'd feel ashamed in the afterlife.

I'm against abortion, but I wouldn't mandate kidney transplants to save lives either even if it was a full grown person  and even if I myself would give my kidney to my children if they ever needed one. Once you tell the government they can own people's bodies and do as they see fit with them, I think we move into a dangerous territory.

Turncoat said: 

Dragoonback said: 

Morality is subjective. Abortion provides numerous benefits to the world and heavily outweighs the grotesqueness of it. Most women do not have abortions on a whim.

He doesn't believe in Overpopulation and sees women working as deviant. 

There you go, trying to get women to turn against me again. lol Dude, I don't mind a woman who has her own money. 

In general he doesn't seem to really like women unless they're willing to put up with him, hence him leaning MGTOW. 

Off topic slander of mixed truth and lies has always been the way with you after getting schooled. I like women, just not some guy pretending to be one lol.

And yes I don't go around chasing them. I'm too old and settled down for that.  

Jada said: 

It's a bad choice of words. If you're mandating that a fetus can use your organs for 9 months, after which it will return the organ for your use, then I'd say abortion is a form of state mandated organ donation. You're essentially donating your organs to save lives.

If such an arrangement was ok, I'd be inclined to also accept state mandated kidney donations to offspring in emergencies.

Tldr is that I view abortion as a form of organ donation which is why I'm disinclined to accept it. If someone told me they want to pass a law that allowed the state to cut my penis and operate me on a surgical table against my will, to save lives, I'd be protesting. So I don't see how I could support abortion, which gives the government the right to cut up vaginas and perform c sections on women against their will. If giving birth didn't involve a major health risk, cause lifelong changes to the body, and didn't have a high risk of necessitating surgery and genital slicing then I'd support banning abortion.

But I know some women who are terrified of having children because they're afraid of surgery. For me to tell them the government is allowed to force operations on them against their will... I couldn't do that. As Spatial put it, I'd feel ashamed in the afterlife.

I'm against abortion, but I wouldn't mandate kidney transplants to save lives either even if it was a full grown person  and even if I myself would give my kidney to my children if they ever needed one. Once you tell the government they can own people's bodies and do as they see fit with them, I think we move into a dangerous territory.

 That's "if" and the whole concept of mandating organ donation or loaning one is unconstitutional and invented.

Abortion is murder, and don't think abortion is healthy for the woman cause there are such things as complications that occur after an abortion, I'm seeing as high as 45% of abortions are unsafe. 

There are better ways to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. I don't know if people can guess what that is. 

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More on topic. I think Trump is most likely God's final statement before allowing the downfall of the United States.

The USD will fall from grace and Communist China will becoming the global super power. Wars between China and Islam will be pending as Christianity across the globe suffers great depressions on a scale larger than WWII's death toll

The US will become a cesspool of last gen patriots and fagots screaming in agony as they're plagued by poverty and famine, because the left eventually got their way and it drove the US into the ground. An islamic flag will be planted on the White House lawn as Islam will be in greater numbers than the degenerated USA. This is the climate where Jesus Christ will return with an army to rid the world of it's Antichrist agendas.

Today's American defense... The Gen Z is incredibly weak and will have a real difficult time defending the US if and when they're drafted. It may or may not be a DEI drafting, where a gender quota will be met for the front lines of Marine combat, and as you know the Marines are the pawns of modern warfare. The world knows not to pit men against women, but in modern America that's sexist. 

That's "if" and the whole concept of mandating organ donation or loaning one is unconstitutional and invented.

Well the point I'm making is that the state mandates that you need to donate your uterus to a another person (fetus) and then possibly undergo a surgery, as mandated by state. That is a form of mandated organ loaning (definitionally) and forced surgery by the state.

Abortion is murder, and don't think abortion is healthy for the woman cause

there are such things as complications that occur after an abortion, I'm seeing as high as 45% of abortions are unsafe.

45 percent? I think the number of cases where there are actual health complications is something more like one in thousand?

Anyway, I agree with you this is getting off topic.

Jada said: 

That's "if" and the whole concept of mandating organ donation or loaning one is unconstitutional and invented.

Well the point I'm making is that the state mandates that you need to donate your uterus to a another person (fetus) and then possibly undergo a surgery, as mandated by state. That is a form of mandated organ loaning (definitionally) and forced surgery by the state.

That is not the case though. Nor is it the same as killing babies. 

If a child is dying and needs a kidney it's possible one can be found, organs are donated all the time, but there is no mandate that insists someone sacrifice a kidney cause that in itself can turn out hazardous for the doner.  

There is no forced surgery and under western law to implement such a thing would be illegal. 

Abortion is murder, and don't think abortion is healthy for the woman cause

I agree it's murder. The reason I can't get past personally is that I also see voting against mandated kidney donations to children as murder. Theyre not the same thing, but the fundamwntal objections I have apply to both. So personally I can't make the leap to abortions. I can see why someone else would.

I'd rather encourage both kidney donations and birthing of unwanted children, because I think the real reason people are apalled by abortion is those immoral women who do it out of whim. I think it's important that people don't get abortions willy nilly and don't refuse kidney donations to their children without good reasons. There should be more education on it and I think that the gravity of the situation should be treated the same, I.e., there's a person who is going to die if you don't donate your organs.

there are such things as complications that occur after an abortion, I'm seeing as high as 45% of abortions are unsafe.

45 percent? I think the number of cases where there are actual health complications is something more like one in thousand?

Anyway, I agree with you this is getting off topic.

I said complications not death. 

Death is 1 in 1000 they say, which would be around 60,000 known host deaths by abortion, that being 60,060,000 deaths total from abortion.