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Xadem said: 

5 years ago from one September night onto the other, alcohol's sedative effect suddenly stopped working on me and instead turned into a stimulant effect. Now I don't get drunk anymore, alcohol makes me high. It keeps me wide awake for days and sometimes up to two weeks after drinking, and a single beer is a guarantee that I won't sleep the following night. Not sleep badly, mind you, but not sleep at all. My brain goes in overdrive the moment I drink some alcohol. I don't know for sure what it is, whether it's adrenaline from my body going onto danger mode, or some unknown form of allergy that I contracted.

Anyways, I don't need coffee to stay awake when I drink. Alcohol keeps me spun like I'm on speed. 

 That's very interesting. You should find out why 

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Xadem said: 

5 years ago from one September night onto the other, alcohol's sedative effect suddenly stopped working on me and instead turned into a stimulant effect. Now I don't get drunk anymore, alcohol makes me high. It keeps me wide awake for days and sometimes up to two weeks after drinking, and a single beer is a guarantee that I won't sleep the following night. Not sleep badly, mind you, but not sleep at all. My brain goes in overdrive the moment I drink some alcohol. I don't know for sure what it is, whether it's adrenaline from my body going onto danger mode, or some unknown form of allergy that I contracted.

Anyways, I don't need coffee to stay awake when I drink. Alcohol keeps me spun like I'm on speed. 

Wow, just tried to look up more about this online. 

Apparently there's "recent studies" over how the varying levels of this tend to be a gauge for alcoholism risk. Those who get tranquilized by it tend to drink less, while those energized by it are essentially flooding their dopamine centers. 

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Xadem said: 

5 years ago from one September night onto the other, alcohol's sedative effect suddenly stopped working on me and instead turned into a stimulant effect. Now I don't get drunk anymore, alcohol makes me high. It keeps me wide awake for days and sometimes up to two weeks after drinking, and a single beer is a guarantee that I won't sleep the following night. Not sleep badly, mind you, but not sleep at all. My brain goes in overdrive the moment I drink some alcohol. I don't know for sure what it is, whether it's adrenaline from my body going onto danger mode, or some unknown form of allergy that I contracted.

Anyways, I don't need coffee to stay awake when I drink. Alcohol keeps me spun like I'm on speed. 

Wow, just tried to look up more about this online. 

Apparently there's "recent studies" over how the varying levels of this tend to be a gauge for alcoholism risk. Those who get tranquilized by it tend to drink less, while those energized by it are essentially flooding their dopamine centers. 

 What about those who do it so much they aren't phased by literal tranquilizers?

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Alcohol usage goes a lot deeper than as a replacement for foul drinking water in Europe. The original source that got us going was fruit left well beyond ripe, which I believe reaches a 5% alcohol by volume level at most. Humans would catalyze this into a drink.

This isn't a case of pure human folly, in fact alcohol consumption ranges across species. Bees have protocol for handling alcohol. At first if drones show back up to the hive intoxicated, they are kicked out as a warning. But if they continue to do so, the other drones will rip off their limbs.

There was a study a while back of monkeys that drink, off of Ivory Coast I believe? I could be wrong about the location but not the actual details of the study here. Tourists go to the beaches at this place and they bring drinks with them. The monkeys will run up and steal drinks from people on the beach.

The real interesting thing that they found is that the levels of alcohol consumption actually paralleled consumption rates in humans. As in the percentages of those monkeys that abstained, that drink lightly, that drank moderately, and that drank until they were rendered senseless were all the same as they were in humans. The monkeys that drank more tended to be the alphas of the group. I assume this is the case because alcohol lowers the threshold for aggression. The hierarchy correlation probably don't transfer to humans because a lot of what we judge others by is frontal lobe behavior (the very thing alcohol knocks out).

So clearly consumption of alcohol has a genetic component. Not only do we see it in families, but we also see it paralleled uncannily in other primates. But the story doesn't really end at that one substance. Substance use is actually a polymorphic trait among many animals. It's especially a trait of animals that seek novel stimuli. Considering that, it's not difficult to see why IQ has a direct correlation with substance use (yes, even alcohol). Modifying the conscious experience at the fundamental level is a difficult thing to top in terms of novelty. And no, I am not implying here that someone's substance consumption habits is an indicator of intelligence. I'm only pointing out that the connection is there.

Putting all of that together, I see substances as tools but don't really see the ones people use as dichotomous. Pretty much everyone that I know that drank alcohol also used caffeine. People who are more reserved about how they want their consciousness impacted tend to stick to things that less profoundly affect it, like caffeine. There are also cultural connotations as well. In parts of the Middle East, it's common to chew on the plant khat for its stimulant effects. It's just an animal thing, even cats like to get high.

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Jeffree star drinks Red Bull like no body's business and he's a multimillionaire.

 

Case in point. 

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Yeah, drink Red Bull and turn into this:

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I'm more of a Monster "mango loco" drinker.

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Blanc said: 

Jeffree star drinks Red Bull like no body's business and he's a multimillionaire.

 

Case in point. 

There's millionaire alcoholics too. 

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Speaking on the fermented fruit thing, a lot of birds get pretty goofy over similar things. 

Alcoholism is indeed more than a human trait... but wow bees are subject to it and police their own over it? Is alcohol making them like rogue bees but also not? 

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Speaking on the fermented fruit thing, a lot of birds get pretty goofy over similar things. 

Alcoholism is indeed more than a human trait... but wow bees are subject to it and police their own over it? Is alcohol making them like rogue bees but also not? 

It has similar effects in that the bees have inhibited motor function which causes them to drunk drive/fly. They also get lost sometimes when they're too wasted and if they do find their way home the other bees won't let them into the hive as they have a strict zero-tolerance policy. There are other things but I forgot. Bees are pretty neat though

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