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The third source provided as evidence states, “Today, 20 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, 57 percent, or an absolute majority, of east Germans defend the former east Germany … ‘life was good there’, say 49 percent of those polled. Eight percent of east Germans flatly oppose all criticism of their former home.”, but unfortunately does not provide a source anywhere for this. Other than this one factoid which cannot be confirmed the whole article is an opinion piece working solely off the subjectivity of the author.

This source is invalid. 

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The fourth source comes from pew-research and was published in 2009. The methodology for this group is long overall I think it’s fine other than its collection practices. From your source it states

“A remarkable 72 percent of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism … This is the result of almost universal displeasure with the economy. Fully 94 percent describe the country’s economy as bad, the highest level of economic discontent in the hard hit region of central and eastern Europe … The public is even more negative toward Hungary’s integration into Europe; 71 percent say their country has been weakened by the process.”

And I am willing to accept this. Unfortunately, aside from Russia, Ukraine, and Hungry all others countries are majority in support of democracy and free markets though both are in decline since 1991, favorable perception of democracy especially.

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It’s safe to say that this study does support the hypothesis as it relates to Russia, Ukraine, and Hungary. There is a lot to chew through with this study given its several pages long and they have a second methodologies section. If I was you, I’d get to know this study and data sets because despite not really making a strong case for the hypothesis it can produce a strong case for Ukraine fitting the mold. Ukraine is far more important than the other Eastern bloc countries and is in all reality the only one Russia is concerned about given the Oil war currently being had over Ukraine’s soul. I would make a more accurate case pertaining to a crucial geo-strategic asset for the sake of the cause over a easily broken generality as your article provides.

I'd specifically mention looking over Chapters 2, 3, 4, and 8 from the study

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I am unable to find the study the fifth source references but I am willing to give it to you. The specific claim is “Roughly 28 percent of Czechs say they were better off under the communist regime … Only 23 percent said they had a better life now.”.  The screams that the study merely has very little significance and thus should be avoided like the plague. Instead, someone decided to write an article about it…

The sixth source references a poll done by Center for Social Democratic Studies and included 1813 respondents. Given they are relying on respondents this study is going to have a high sampling error so it can’t trusted. Having said this, even if you could trust it, the study pertains to life being under specifically under Josip Tito which is not equivalent to perceived preference towards Socialism.

In that same section a Reuters report is sourced and relies on the same pew research study as the fourth source. Unlike the fourth source, unfortunately the report completely miss-characterizes the data with massive generalizations that are not explicit in referenced study.

The seventh source  relies on 11 other sources all of which but one lead to either dead links or other articles that have no sources. The only notable reference is the eleventh source from the Center for Research on Globalization and is titled “The Tragic Failure of “Post-Communism””. This research group is literally a meme:

RationalWikiMedia Fact CheckQuora Post

Some of there work courtesy of the Qoura post:

"Depopulation Vaccine" in kenya and beyond

Flouride: Killing Us Softly

North Korea, a Land of human Achievement, Love and Joy

(I swear I'm not throwing shade with DPRK one. 

 

After doing a barely any digging I found that the article you posted is actually just a copy of this reddit post from 2014 which references all of the same sources. A minute later I found this politicsforum post from 2012 with again all of the same sources. 

Essentially, the only thing original in the entire article is the massive straw-man at the beginning. 

Lastly, I want to touch upon the video...

This individual literally talks about cognitive dissonance of anti-marxist for 8 minutes while basing this on an article he states collects polls while in reality they link you to 5+ old articles that reference older polls, the majority of which do not support his claim in any way substantial way as I've shown above. 

This is the essence of Irony of Exception 

 

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If I keep feeding you links and sources, will you keep systematically destroying them along with my psyche? 


Your whole argument here is on a plain of existence that I've never had to experience before. I'm not this complex. 



Here I am in shock and awe from what you've posted. It makes me critique myself heavily for not being better. It makes me wish that I could've just been better, analyze all, read more, and such. 


I can send you a pm over discord of a discord link of an archive of sources I use, and you can destroy them if you want, I don't know. 


I might be a marxist, but I'm not a good one at debating. I'll try to read the source you sent of your own study. 


In regards to the actual argument you have posted, I'm sorry but I think I concede. I have no clue how to take on such a beast. 

Here I am, passionate about my views but yet I can barely even defend them. 


I admit that coming into this, and making this thread, I was taking the articles' and the video for granted. I have a whole other range of sources that back this up, if you want them just pm me, so you can debunk them. 

Due to my ignorance, and woefully unpreparedness. I am just going to concede. Perhaps, once I do more research, I could continue but for the time being, I feel like a dummy. 

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I can send you a pm over discord of a discord link of an archive of sources I use, and you can destroy them if you want, I don't know. 

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Alice Shapiro over here 

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I can send you a pm over discord of a discord link of an archive of sources I use, and you can destroy them if you want, I don't know. 

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Just last night my parents and other Russian friends of theirs were reminiscing about the USSR and how hard it was and how little they had in actuality. Poverty was widespread, and if you lived in the countryside you were pretty much on your own. If you studied in a city, political propaganda was being shoved down your throats in every phase of the education cycle. Everything was of mediocre quality, a trip to the dentist was always without anaesthesia, doctor's medicine was scarce, etc... Times were always hard. By the 90s, you were lucky to be sharing one apartment with 6 other families in Petersburg as crime rates soared and you were paranoid about being mugged constantly. 

The first time my mom saw Europe in 1994 she said her jaw dropped to the floor. You can only reminisce about USSR if you choose to emit certain things. As a whole, it was a failed experiment. 

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