21:45
Cawk:
luna has all right to attack me
21:45
Cawk:
i changed her life
21:45
Cawk:
now she indirectly begs her ex users to return to her broken site
21:48
Inquirer:
Do you really believe you were the biggest reason she nuked the site?
21:49
Cawk:
i initiated the cp spam phase that led up to it, yes
21:50
Cawk:
you weren't even able to get her to nuke the site with kiwis' help
21:51
Inquirer:
I never tried to nuke the site.
21:51
Inquirer:
But we didn't really have much problem with CP the last months imo.
21:52
user22212:
Must be the automated cp filtration system at work
21:52
Cawk:
but sc was ruined at that point
21:52
Inquirer:
Luna's SC didn't have that.
21:52
Cawk:
5 janitors, 1 keeping watch 24/7
21:53
Inquirer:
No, it wasn't ruined.
21:53
Inquirer:
Lol, do you think that's what we did?
21:53
Cawk:
yes it was
21:53
Cawk:
you also mod abused hard by your sc ideals
21:53
Inquirer:
What happened was that Luna started getting angry about all attacks against her.
21:53
Inquirer:
And the perceived lack of loyalty towards her.
21:54
Inquirer:
CP had very little to do with it.
21:54
Inquirer:
How did I mod abuse?
21:54
Cawk:
the attacks against her happened as a result of cp
21:55
Inquirer:
No, they happened because she started to ban people she didn't like.
21:55
Inquirer:
Which is a recurring pattern of hers.
21:55
Cawk:
caused by cp posting
21:55
Inquirer:
No...
21:56
Cawk:
do you realize she only got active again because ppl were whining about lack of mod tools etc
21:56
Cawk:
she was mostly absent prior to that
21:56
Cawk:
then suddenly she's there all day
21:56
Cawk:
coincidence you think?
21:57
Cawk:
the result of cp posts pushed her into a state where she wouldn't back off after fucking up as she used to
21:58
Cawk:
you mod abused hard
21:58
Cawk:
you dont even deserve mod here for that tbh
21:58
Cawk:
banning people for pedo talk etc
21:59
Inquirer:
That's not why she becomes active. In the past she's shown clearly that she can ignore CP, that's why we had issues with it in the first place.
21:59
Cawk:
cp made her invested in the site
22:00
Cawk:
that caused her to lose her shit in the end
22:00
Inquirer:
I banned your pedo crew on sight, not pedo talk in general. But sure, they might've overlapped at times.
22:00
Cawk:
the site was in a lockdown state, captcha all over the place
22:00
Cawk:
ruined puppetting, an essential part of sc
22:01
Cawk:
people were getting banned for non pedo trolling like turncoat XD
22:01
Inquirer:
Yes, that was annoying. But none of that is what made Luna have her meltdown.
22:01
Inquirer:
Who do you think banned random trolls?
22:02
Cawk:
what caused lunas meltdown was her investment in the site
22:02
Cawk:
which was caused by recurrent cp posts
22:02
Inquirer:
Nope.
22:02
Cawk:
you were 5 janitors to keep cp out
22:03
Inquirer:
No, we were 5 janitors to help fight Luna's ego battles.
22:04
Cawk:
ego battles with who?
22:04
Cawk:
she started ripping on her userbase and spending the whole day there, looking out for cp
22:04
Inquirer:
Xad, TPG, trolls like TC etc. Basically anyone who joined in attacking her.
22:05
Inquirer:
She tried to make it about CP but what she was mad about was the never-ending attacks on her.
22:05
Cawk:
what made her stay there all day was cp and competition with "jim"
22:05
Inquirer:
And she kept changing mods because we didn't help her the way she wanted us to.
22:06
Inquirer:
You're the only one pushing this narrative.
22:06
Cawk:
it's the truth
22:07
Cawk:
having to defend her site made her invested into it
22:07
Inquirer:
CP is an element to the story, of course, but it's not what made Luna get mad.
22:07
Cawk:
this opened the window for trolls to attack her in the first place
22:07
Inquirer:
Just look at every meltdown she had and you'll see CP had little to do with them.
22:08
Cawk:
yes but she had changed her stance after her early fuck ups
22:08
Cawk:
she stopped coming around to prevent meltdowns
22:08
Inquirer:
True, she had.
22:09
Cawk:
when cp had become a problem, she was forced to be there regularly again
22:09
Cawk:
without this, she wouldve never had her final meltdown
22:10
Inquirer:
No, things were pretty fine. But she decided she was tired of the trollish nature of SC (because it kept attacking her).
22:10
Cawk:
the trollish nature was only able to attack her because of the cp though
22:11
Inquirer:
Luna didn't become active again due to CP-spam, she becomes active when she gets bored of whatever else she's doing.
22:12
Inquirer:
And then she wants SC to treat her like the glorious queen she wants to be.
22:13
Cawk:
now you're lying lmao
22:13
Cawk:
luna was never that consistently active prior to the cp
22:13
Inquirer:
She's been active before, particularly when she's about to have a meltdown.
22:14
Inquirer:
Or rather, she has meltdowns when she's too active.
22:14
Cawk:
she tried to stop being active after her early meltdowns
22:14
Cawk:
cp question dragged her in again
22:15
Cawk:
without the cp phase, there would've been no luna there for the trolls to troll
22:15
Cawk:
so yes, the cp is the root for s-c destruction
22:17
Cawk:
she would spend her whole days there to "beat jim"
22:17
Cawk:
even disabled registration later to beat jim lmfao
22:17
Inquirer:
Lol, that's like saying "if she hadn't watched that video about Jordan Peterson and then went to SC to share it, there wouldn't have been a Luna there for trolls to troll".
22:17
Cawk:
this is how invested she was
22:18
Inquirer:
CP was an issue, yes, but it was never something that motivated her much. She's always done much less about it than we'd wanted.
22:19
Cawk:
1. luna was not invested / rarely ever came around s-c 2. cp made her invested again 3. investment gave trolls the opportunity to relentlessly strike her
22:19
Inquirer:
What gets her going, every time, are slights to her ego.
22:19
Inquirer:
Trolls have attacked her for years, that has nothing to do with CP.
22:19
Inquirer:
She's had recurring cycles of becoming less and more active on SC for years.
22:19
Cawk:
trolls couldnt have attacked her without cp, as she wouldnt have been around much
22:21
Inquirer:
If CP wasn't around then I'm pretty sure Luna would've made rules about "spamming" or "trolling".
22:22
Cawk:
sc 4 or 5 wouldve come out in like 5 years if not for the cp
22:22
Inquirer:
So even if we assume CP did "trick" her back to SC that's not really what kept her around.
22:23
Inquirer:
And it's not what made her snap in the end.
22:23
Cawk:
she wouldnt have stayed enough without a break to take the site down
22:23
Cawk:
if not for cp
22:24
Inquirer:
Why not? She's done it several times before, without CP being the catalyst.
22:24
Cawk:
because she had learned from those mistakes
22:24
Inquirer:
Lol.
22:25
Inquirer:
Her cyclical meltdowns is a meme, but somehow you've decided this last one was different.
22:25
Cawk:
loona stopped coming around as much to prevent herself from getting invested and have more meltdowns
22:25
Inquirer:
Except she always did come back eventually.
22:26
Cawk:
cp made her invested again, tied her down, and trolls beat on her with sticks
22:26
Cawk:
im not saying she stopped coming around
22:26
Inquirer:
Like I said, she always comes back eventually regardless and becomes more active.
22:26
Cawk:
but definitely not as much as she used to when she had her earlier meltdowns
22:27
MissCommunication:
lol Cawk doesn't understand luna or SC
22:27
Cawk:
her activity was abnormally high
22:27
Cawk:
she spent 12+ hours a day there for months
22:28
Inquirer:
Yes, but not because she was mad about CP.
22:28
Cawk:
she wanted to beat jims cp
22:28
Cawk:
she even said this
22:28
Inquirer:
Yes, because Jim's a high-profile troll who kept making fun of her.
22:28
Cawk:
and even disabled registration in the end over this
22:29
MissCommunication:
CP was rarely on SC the last year
22:29
Cawk:
cp is the keyword here
22:29
MissCommunication:
maybe 2 times
22:30
Inquirer:
Yeah, it was pretty much fixed imo.
22:30
Cawk:
cp links were still posted
22:30
bongripper420:
i bet i could beat all of you pussies up
22:31
22:31
bongripper420:
at once
22:31
MissCommunication:
lol
22:31
MissCommunication:
no one clicked links and it just got your puppet banned
22:31
MissCommunication:
then you had to register and play with captchas
22:31
MissCommunication:
it was quite hilarious
22:31
Cawk:
the point, cp made her invested
22:31
Cawk:
nothing else
22:32
MissCommunication:
seeing how invested you were, tbh
22:32
Cawk:
her investment caused her final meltdown
22:32
MissCommunication:
CP made you invested
22:32
MissCommunication:
cos you're dull lol
22:32
Cawk:
and thats it
22:32
Cawk:
without cp phase, we'd be on s-c rn
22:32
Cawk:
thank me l8r
22:32
MissCommunication:
xadem and Inq made her shut SC down
22:33
Inquirer:
We barely had a CP phase.
22:33
Cawk:
ed resigning was the heavy blow
22:33
Cawk:
not xadem or tpg
22:33
MissCommunication:
lol poor cuck
22:33
Inquirer:
Xad, TPG and TC (as a troll) were the largest contributors imo.
22:33
MissCommunication:
still irrelevant
22:33
Inquirer:
And then the fact that no one else really took her side played a big role.
22:35
Cawk:
ed resigning was caused by turncoat autistic socks being banned
22:35
MissCommunication:
ya she was hurt
22:35
Cawk:
not xadems ban or tpg kicked out of senate
22:35
MissCommunication:
which was weird cos she seemed like she didn't care
22:36
MissCommunication:
Xadem did the most damage imo
22:36
Inquirer:
She clearly cared, but you only saw that when you tried to reason with her.
22:36
MissCommunication:
ya
22:37
MissCommunication:
hse might have bipolar too, tbh
22:37
MissCommunication:
she*
22:37
Cawk:
no xadem didnt
22:37
MissCommunication:
Xadem is like this master troll, tbh
22:37
Cawk:
nobody really gave a shit when he got banned
22:37
Cawk:
the site went on
22:37
MissCommunication:
cos everyone likes him
22:37
MissCommunication:
so they rallies
22:37
MissCommunication:
rallied*
22:37
Cawk:
nobody rallied
22:37
Cawk:
xadem just stopped coming around and ppl moved on
22:37
MissCommunication:
when cuck gets banned it's like meh
22:38
MissCommunication:
lots rallied - even Edvard
22:38
Cawk:
no he didnt
22:38
Inquirer:
When Xad was banned we were starting to discuss an alternative forum.
22:38
MissCommunication:
everyone was like "Ban cuck on sight' lol
22:38
MissCommunication:
rofl
22:38
Cawk:
xadem and tpg are both of little importance in her action to take it down
22:39
MissCommunication:
yep I contacted TFI about making EC a new SC
22:39
Cawk:
ed resigning broke her back
22:39
Cawk:
she took the site down in the same day
22:39
MissCommunication:
about a month before she brought SC down
22:39
MissCommunication:
I'm glad she's having another go, tbh
22:40
MissCommunication:
it could be interesting
22:40
Inquirer:
I'm not sure why she adds stuff like text-to-voice though.
You can also just search chat history, it's all still there
While that's true, that won't drum up the same attention from us.
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Is this really attention worthy?
That depends on who you ask.
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Inquirer said:What happened was that Luna started getting angry about all attacks against her.
And the perceived lack of loyalty towards her.
CP had very little to do with it.
No, they happened because she started to ban people she didn't like.
Which is a recurring pattern of hers.
That's not why she becomes active. In the past she's shown clearly that she can ignore CP, that's why we had issues with it in the first place.
She tried to make it about CP but what she was mad about was the never-ending attacks on her.
Just look at every meltdown she had and you'll see CP had little to do with them.
What gets her going, every time, are slights to her ego.
Trolls have attacked her for years, that has nothing to do with CP.
She's had recurring cycles of becoming less and more active on SC for years.
If CP wasn't around then I'm pretty sure Luna would've made rules about "spamming" or "trolling".
So even if we assume CP did "trick" her back to SC that's not really what kept her around.
And it's not what made her snap in the end.
Her cyclical meltdowns is a meme, but somehow you've decided this last one was different.
Xad, TPG and TC (as a troll) were the largest contributors imo.
And then the fact that no one else really took her side played a big role.
Exactly, all of this matches what I've been trying to tell you (Cawk) earlier in topics such as this one. This is why killing Luna's S-C took the group banding together. They needed a cause, and that cause had to be against her instead of with her. CP just made them stick to her, while things like the senate did more damage overall. It was the group that took her down, as at that point she had nowhere left to turn and the CP scapegoat was no longer the problem. In her final days it was mostly her tantruming to the tune of everyone ingrouping against her.
As I've said many times before, we needed a Catchers Mitt in place for Luna's next meltdown to secure her away from the admin tools. Without the community on board they'd have returned to Luna's software, and without the community on board we wouldn't have had Meta's Catcher's Mitt in the first place. CP was not what killed it, her users turning against her while she was under a lot of pressure from multiple facets of her ego did.
Another thing I'm picking up is that it seems like your (Cawk's) timeline of events is scattered? The order of events seems absent from it, and a lot of emphasis seems to only be on a small gap of time. You'd likely benefit from a collaboratively built timeline or something, a more physical model.
Cawk said:because she had learned from those mistakes
Flimsiest argument ever.
All she learned to do is cover her wounds with more and more bandages until she suffocated on the equivalent of a mummy costume. The bandages made her more clever, but twice as vulnerable.
I find it surprising how much you trust the words she types. When she's not lying she's otherwise being inconsistent from within an unstable foundation of reality, and the things she says more than reflects that.
Inquirer said:Like I said, she always comes back eventually regardless and becomes more active.
Watching her journey outside of this place was quite the spectacle. Her returns were always the direct result of how she did in the other place, whether that's her going from S-C to there or from there right back to S-C. The change of locale was always compensatory.
Cawk said:cp links were still posted
Barely. I saw Jim and a bunch of other trolls giving the fuck up once Captcha was thrown on there, especially once it began to have more steps to go through on proxies and commonly used VPNs on Google's database.
I was the King of CAPTCHA, it was never enough to stop me, but I never posted CP so it was enough to stop that. 
Cawk said:her investment caused her final meltdown
Her investment in the userbase, not the CP.
She hated that it made people dramatic in her general direction.
Cawk said:nobody really gave a shit when he (Xadem) got banned
Quite the opposite. Much in the older style of the website, having liked people be banned always proved to be a Hydra issue; Cutting off one head makes three more grow in it's place.
This is even a large part of the Luna ban meme, she always repeats that same mistake when her feelings overwhelm her and she's always stuck sucking it up and unbanning them. It's not hard to be an S-C martyr when Luna's doing emotional bannings. I even made a threat to the effect of "or else" for her to unban me and she had to stomach it from users on the website recognizing my right to the temporary martyr title.
Cawk said:xadem and tpg are both of little importance in her action to take it down
I'm speechless. Not typeless, but speechless.
This is either uninformed or compensatory madness.
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Inquirer said:What happened was that Luna started getting angry about all attacks against her.
And the perceived lack of loyalty towards her.
CP had very little to do with it.
No, they happened because she started to ban people she didn't like.
Which is a recurring pattern of hers.
That's not why she becomes active. In the past she's shown clearly that she can ignore CP, that's why we had issues with it in the first place.
She tried to make it about CP but what she was mad about was the never-ending attacks on her.
Just look at every meltdown she had and you'll see CP had little to do with them.
What gets her going, every time, are slights to her ego.
Trolls have attacked her for years, that has nothing to do with CP.
She's had recurring cycles of becoming less and more active on SC for years.
If CP wasn't around then I'm pretty sure Luna would've made rules about "spamming" or "trolling".
So even if we assume CP did "trick" her back to SC that's not really what kept her around.
And it's not what made her snap in the end.
Her cyclical meltdowns is a meme, but somehow you've decided this last one was different.
Xad, TPG and TC (as a troll) were the largest contributors imo.
And then the fact that no one else really took her side played a big role.CP was not what killed it, her users turning against her while she was under a lot of pressure from multiple facets of her ego did.
Users turning against her roots back to the CP issue, so yes, CP is the cause, if not for CP, she would've never ended up taking the site down.
Another thing I'm picking up is that it seems like your (Cawk's) timeline of events is scattered? The order of events seems absent from it, and a lot of emphasis seems to only be on a small gap of time. You'd likely benefit from a collaboratively built timeline or something, a more physical model.
Waste of time to me, you're free to do it and I'll correct it if necessary.
Cawk said:because she had learned from those mistakesFlimsiest argument ever.
All she learned to do is cover her wounds with more and more bandages until she suffocated on the equivalent of a mummy costume. The bandages made her more clever, but twice as vulnerable.
She was covering her wounds well, she did this by not coming around much in the first place which she had learned as a result of her previous meltdowns.
I find it surprising how much you trust the words she types. When she's not lying she's otherwise being inconsistent from within an unstable foundation of reality, and the things she says more than reflects that.
She was constantly going on about keeping CP posters and CP out.
WE (the CP posters) made her invested in the site, this is a fact you shouldn't even attempt to deny. After the CP situation had escalated, she started spending 12+ hours a day on S-C for MONTHS (if not close to a year?). With the goal to keep CP posters and CP out (her words), the amount of time she was spending there daily wore her down and left her open to troll attacks. If not for her investment, she would've just left and returned recovered when people shat on her, undone her bans like she had always done prior and everyone would've stepped back in line. It would've never led up to her taking the site down.
If not for CP posters, your autistic socks would've had close to no impact on the site because Loona wouldn't have been in the state she was. If not for her investment that was caused by CP, she would've finished SC4 in like, 5 years probably.
Luna had 4 janitors (5 including her, ALL TIME HIGH IN S-C HISTORY). To keep CP/CP symbol Jim out (her words). This alone proves my point that we made her invested, which made it possible to get her to take down the site.
We (CP posters) basically had tied Loona up, leaving her open for attack. And even despite that, it took fucking long until trolls started messing with her.
Cawk said:cp links were still postedBarely. I saw Jim and a bunch of other trolls giving the fuck up once Captcha was thrown on there, especially once it began to have more steps to go through on proxies and commonly used VPNs on Google's database.
I was the King of CAPTCHA, it was never enough to stop me, but I never posted CP so it was enough to stop that.
No, it wasn't. CP was posted even moments before the site was taken down. You just didn't notice it much because a mod was watching 24/7, as if they were paid for it. XD
Cawk said:her investment caused her final meltdownHer investment in the userbase, not the CP.
She hated that it made people dramatic in her general direction.
She ripped on her user-base to compensate for spending whole days there fending off CP/fighting "Jim". So yes, caused by CP.
Cawk said:nobody really gave a shit when he (Xadem) got bannedQuite the opposite. Much in the older style of the website, having liked people be banned always proved to be a Hydra issue; Cutting off one head makes three more grow in it's place.
This is even a large part of the Luna ban meme, she always repeats that same mistake when her feelings overwhelm her and she's always stuck sucking it up and unbanning them. It's not hard to be an S-C martyr when Luna's doing emotional bannings. I even made a threat to the effect of "or else" for her to unban me and she had to stomach it from users on the website recognizing my right to the temporary martyr title.
Nobody cared when Xadem got banned, or at least not noticeably much, no one rioted or anything, so how the fuck did Xadem being banned help in her taking the site down? Same goes for TPG, people saw it, but gave no real shit. The meme phrase "Make TPG senator." was born, but it had no very noticeable impact to Loona's action to take down S-C whatsoever. And Xadem didn't put up a fight with socks after that either, rather hung out on Discord, laying down his arms. I was there all the time as puppets/lurker, I saw what went on and what didn't, you can't gaslight me. The only one who ever made a comment on Xadem's ban was Edvard, saying his best shot is begging Loona to unban him in 3 weeks. lmao
Cawk said:xadem and tpg are both of little importance in her action to take it downI'm speechless. Not typeless, but speechless.
This is either uninformed or compensatory madness.
Off the top of my head:
CP (and the investment it caused in Loona is the root of all).
You causing Eduard to resign contributed a lot.
Whatever else happened is of little importance, sheep got back in line, so it doesn't matter. Users being thrown out of S-C and other users laughing at it is not a contribution on their part.
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