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Time check.

3 hours.

The winds are dying down, and it looks as though you'll be in the shelter for 10 hours or less. Or about 8AM.

- Intensity: Category 1 hurricane with maximum sustained winds of 75 mph (120 km/h) and gusts approaching 90 mph.

Not too bad. Category 4 is serious.

- Alerts: A Hurricane Warning remains active for Hawaii Island (Big Island). Tropical Storm Warnings and a statewide Flood Watch are in effect for Maui County, Oahu, Kauai, and Niihau

 73% of Hawaii is without power right now. You're probably not even here right now and we might not see you for awhile. 

I have a streamer talking to Hawaiians. Chat said trees are ripping, they are freaking out, yet that guy somehow has internet access. Could be using Starlink.

The eye passed, Delora is getting rocked again. 

The yellow at the end of the path, the very last one. That's Wednesday.

Looks like there's another one to the right, it's trajectory is subject to change. 

I'd be thrilled, we got grazed maybe 15-16 years ago and it dissolved. Hurricanes fizzle off when they reach land, they can only exist on top of water. But that doesn't happen when the land is smaller than the storm. 

Live footage doesn't seem too bad. I see lights, and the trees look still at the moment. Maybe the eye is much bigger than the satellite view.

Is it Hurricane La La like the Teletubby or Laylah like the name?

Anyway, your dad sounds awful, I’d never speak to him again 

Wow you guys really live in lala land.

From what we've gathered. 

Delora's Father was made unpopular in SC. The bad man who messed her up. His yelling scared Delora making her feel like she was gonna get punched. I noticed her concerns were based on the fear of getting beat, but not beat, lest that would've been the complaint.  

Delora's parents did not approve of Lauren ( Who by description is a creamy Goth with enormous tatas )

According to Delora, her and Lauren live together. 

Mother Nature sent Lala.

Delora was frightened and wanted to take shelter at Daddy's to be with her sibling. Delora's Brother is mentally retarded and requires special care, so no credit to Daddy, it's the Brother who makes her feel safe. 

Delora says her Father's home was located in a safer area. Who knows, maybe the man lived up the hill, and while that's better to prevent flooding, his home would've gotten abused like everyone else's

From the sound of it, Delora bumped into her Father in a grocery store, not a phone call. So probably she doesn't call or they have a good relationship. Or maybe he's mad cause of Lauren.

I have questions....

- Did her Father say no to Delora or did he say no to Delora and Lauren ?

- Did Delora abandon Lauren ?

Delora said "I'm in a shelter" and not "We're in a shelter". So I'm assuming Delora and Lauren split up, which probably isn't good for the relationship. Then again, neither of them are men, cause when a man runs away ditching the woman, it's 100% over. 

For a hurricane Lala doesn't seem too bad. The next one might landfall too. Hurricane M.

Maybe they'll name if Mat, or Manny, or Megan. 

Spatial Mind said: 

From what we've gathered. 

Delora's Father was made unpopular in SC. The bad man who messed her up. His yelling scared Delora making her feel like she was gonna get punched. I noticed her concerns were based on the fear of getting beat, but not beat, lest that would've been the complaint. Delora's parents did not approve of Lauren. Who by description is a creamy Goth with enormous tatas. According to Delora, her and Lauren live together. Mother Nature sent Lala. Delora was frightened and wanted to take shelter at Daddy's to be with her sibling. Delora's Brother is mentally retarded and requires special care, so no credit to Daddy, it's the Brother who makes her feel safe. 

Delora says her Father's home was located in a safer area. Who knows, maybe the man lived up the hill, and while that's better to prevent flooding, his home would've gotten abused like everyone else's. From the sound of it, Delora bumped into her Father in a grocery store, not a phone call. So probably she doesn't call or they have a good relationship. Or maybe he's mad cause of Lauren. I have questions... Did her Father say no to Delora or did he say no to Delora and Lauren? Did Delora abandon Lauren? Delora said "I'm in a shelter" and not "We're in a shelter". So I'm assuming Delora and Lauren split up, which probably isn't good for the relationship. Then again, neither of them are men, cause when a man runs away ditching the woman, it's 100% over. For a hurricane Lala doesn't seem too bad. The next one might landfall too. Hurricane M. Maybe they'll name if Mat, or Manny, or Megan. 

You’re filling in a lot of gaps with assumptions and then treating those assumptions as if they undermine Delora’s account.

Her father living in a safer area doesn’t mean his house would have been unaffected, but it also doesn't mean the safer location was irrelevant. Those aren't contradictory. Likewise, Delora wanting to be with her brother doesn't establish that her father had nothing to do with her feeling safe. Her brother being there and the house being safer can both be reasons she wanted to go there.

The Lauren stuff is even more speculative. You don't know whether her father refused Delora specifically, refused both of them, or had anything to do with Lauren at all. "Maybe he's mad because of Lauren" isn't evidence of anything.

Neither does "I'm in a shelter" establish that Delora abandoned Lauren. You're inferring an entire separation from the fact that she described her own location rather than Lauren's.

And "I saw my father at a grocery store" obviously doesn't establish that she doesn't normally call him. That's another completely unsupported inference.

The hurricane point is also misleading. Category 1 doesn't mean "not too bad." 74+ mph sustained winds are enough to cause tree damage, power outages, structural damage, and dangerous conditions. A hurricane weakening after making landfall also doesn't mean it instantly becomes harmless. It can continue producing destructive winds and heavy rainfall inland.

Basically, almost every major conclusion here is preceded by "maybe," "probably," or "I'm assuming." That's fine when you're brainstorming possibilities, but possibilities aren't evidence. If we're trying to assess what happened to Delora, the reasonable conclusion is that there simply isn't enough information to confidently infer the motives of her father, the status of her relationship with Lauren, or whether she "abandoned" anyone.

"Mother Nature sent Lala" is just personifying a physical process. Warm ocean water causes evaporation, moist air rises, condensation releases heat, and the resulting pressure differences draw in more air. The Earth's rotation organizes that circulation, and under favorable conditions it intensifies into a hurricane.

So Lala wasn't "sent" by an agent. It formed through ordinary atmospheric physics. Same principle with demons: calling something an agent doesn't explain the mechanism, it just gives the mechanism a character.

Dragoonback said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

From what we've gathered. 

Delora's Father was made unpopular in SC. The bad man who messed her up. His yelling scared Delora making her feel like she was gonna get punched. I noticed her concerns were based on the fear of getting beat, but not beat, lest that would've been the complaint. Delora's parents did not approve of Lauren. Who by description is a creamy Goth with enormous tatas. According to Delora, her and Lauren live together. Mother Nature sent Lala. Delora was frightened and wanted to take shelter at Daddy's to be with her sibling. Delora's Brother is mentally retarded and requires special care, so no credit to Daddy, it's the Brother who makes her feel safe. 

Delora says her Father's home was located in a safer area. Who knows, maybe the man lived up the hill, and while that's better to prevent flooding, his home would've gotten abused like everyone else's. From the sound of it, Delora bumped into her Father in a grocery store, not a phone call. So probably she doesn't call or they have a good relationship. Or maybe he's mad cause of Lauren. I have questions... Did her Father say no to Delora or did he say no to Delora and Lauren? Did Delora abandon Lauren? Delora said "I'm in a shelter" and not "We're in a shelter". So I'm assuming Delora and Lauren split up, which probably isn't good for the relationship. Then again, neither of them are men, cause when a man runs away ditching the woman, it's 100% over. For a hurricane Lala doesn't seem too bad. The next one might landfall too. Hurricane M. Maybe they'll name if Mat, or Manny, or Megan. 

You’re filling in a lot of gaps with assumptions and then treating those assumptions as if they undermine Delora’s account.

Her father living in a safer area doesn’t mean his house would have been unaffected, but it also doesn't mean the safer location was irrelevant. Those aren't contradictory. Likewise, Delora wanting to be with her brother doesn't establish that her father had nothing to do with her feeling safe. Her brother being there and the house being safer can both be reasons she wanted to go there.

There is no safer location on the surface while an Island is engulfed in a typhoon. Who knows.

Maybe last night her Dad reclined in a lazyboy with a hot kosher coco and Netflix, then today he had a BBQ under the Rainbow Lala left behind. 

The Lauren stuff is even more speculative. You don't know whether her father refused Delora specifically, refused both of them, or had anything to do with Lauren at all. "Maybe he's mad because of Lauren" isn't evidence of anything.

Right. That's why I said "I have questions....."

Neither does "I'm in a shelter" establish that Delora abandoned Lauren. You're inferring an entire separation from the fact that she described her own location rather than Lauren's.

Well at this point Lauren wouldn't be welcome at Delora's Father's place. She did state how her parents want to send her to therapy for being gay. I don't expect Delora to bring Lauren to her parents place after that. Maybe you do but I don't. 

And "I saw my father at a grocery store" obviously doesn't establish that she doesn't normally call him. That's another completely unsupported inference.

It kinda does, cause that's where she asked him. She had to bump into the guy. 

The hurricane point is also misleading. Category 1 doesn't mean "not too bad." 74+ mph sustained winds are enough to cause tree damage, power outages, structural damage, and dangerous conditions. A hurricane weakening after making landfall also doesn't mean it instantly becomes harmless. It can continue producing destructive winds and heavy rainfall inland.

Right, but it wasn't a category 4. I'm looking at the damage and it's not that bad. Sure it's not nice, but it's not like Katrina.

Basically, almost every major conclusion here is preceded by "maybe," "probably," or "I'm assuming." That's fine when you're brainstorming possibilities, but possibilities aren't evidence. If we're trying to assess what happened to Delora, the reasonable conclusion is that there simply isn't enough information to confidently infer the motives of her father, the status of her relationship with Lauren, or whether she "abandoned" anyone.

 Well I never made any conclusions like you think I did. I think it's funny how she can talk smack about the man, then talk more smack when he rejects her company in the presence of a hurricane. I imagine her panic would be unbearable to be around, he'd probably be like, "shut the fuck up, go outside". 

But you did make conclusions from those assumptions. You weren't just asking neutral questions. You said she "probably" doesn't call her father, suggested he might be angry because of Lauren, assumed she and Lauren split up because she said "I'm in a shelter," and suggested she abandoned Lauren. Those are conclusions, even if you qualify them with "probably" or "maybe."

"There is no safer location while an island is engulfed in a typhoon" is also just false. A hurricane doesn't produce uniform conditions across an entire island. Elevation, distance from the coast, exposure to wind, terrain, flooding risk, and the construction of a building all affect how dangerous a particular location is. A house can be safer than a shelter without being completely safe. "It wasn't a Category 4" doesn't make the danger irrelevant either. Category 1 hurricanes can still produce dangerous winds, flooding, falling trees, power outages, and structural damage.

And the grocery store point doesn't establish that she had no other way to contact him. She may have happened to encounter him there and used the opportunity to ask. That's all we know.

The last part is also telling. You don't know that her panic would have been "unbearable," or that he'd tell her to shut up and go outside. That's another hypothetical being used to make her look unreasonable without evidence.

You can think her account is incomplete or question her interpretation of her father, but that's different from filling the missing information with increasingly elaborate scenarios and then laughing at the result.