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Turncoat is complaining about being “too poor” to have built up a collection. Not passing judgment. The interesting angle here may be hearing how your parents each dealt with discretionary expenditures like Magic Cards and video games and toys, for example, did they simply buy them for you or not.

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In the 90's Pokemon came out. It was some show that hit the news before we got it. Something about one episode causing seizures to Japanese kids. Then the show came here, I already knew what it was so I checked it out. Wasn't into it. 

Pokemon cards came out and still, no interest.

 I see the appeal in these games, where there's a rule of keeping the opponents cards upon beating them and such, still not into this stuff, but I regret not loading up on Pokemon cards, especially when they first came out. I don't see this happening again anytime soon with some game card.

I have card binders loaded with Upper Deck baseball cards from the 80's and 90's, packed away somewhere, I should examine the thing. Maybe take snapshots of of each page and get Grok to list the valuable ones. 

In the 90's, before Internet was widely used, I'd collect Marvel Universe cards, and I pulled this fucker.

A solid prism Hologram of what appears to be clay models. The video doesn't deliver just how clear this hologram is in person. This is before the HD TV and still higher quality than 1080p pixels. It's like a moving photograph. The card itself is quite hard, like a plastic material and the back is pure black. After reading about it, this card was loaded in every 180 packs, very difficult to obtain. Mine went straight into a hard plastic case.

Do I still have it ? No. Brother stole it and when asked he says he doesn't know where it is, so I'll never get it back. Sure I can bid for a new one, or buy it for about $300, but I so wouldn't.

Usually it takes a generation for a great pull to increase in value, but there are some exceptions. Like Michael Jordan's rookie card. and of course for some reason, Pokemon. Specifically the first wave. 

Charizard is the big one right ? I'm reading here in 1999, first wave of Pokemon cards Charizard would appear 1 in every 3 booster packs.

PSA 10 grade sold for $550,000 while this card usually goes for 9k now. 

Odds were 1 in 3. Early collectors would have stacks of the same Charizard they were sick of getting again and again. Sell them at a discount for the sake of liquidating them and buy and house. 

Of course Pokemon was for kids, looking all cute and making some game out of it, so a lot of those Charizards and other first gen cards were violated. 

An unopen box of first generation Pokemon cards, WILL, grant you the Charizard multiple times over.

I'm reading one of these unopened boxes would cost between $200,000 -$400,000. And....each box has 36 packs. The odds being 1 in 3, if odds were accurate that would be 12 Charizards, but since it's odds, it's still possible to score 20 or worse plus every card in the box would be valuable. The type of person to buy something like this would be one whos been making millions of dollars every year for years.

Oh yeah. I was there in the 90's. So were many of you though you were either sucking milk from a nipple or going on field trips in elementary school fucking up your pokemon cards, RIGHT CHAPO !? YOU WERE INTO POKEMON AS A CHILD, AND YOU FUCKED UP ALL YOUR G1 CHARIZARDS AND THEY WENT IN THE TRASH EH !? 

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In the 90's Pokemon came out. It was some show that hit the news before we got it. Something about one episode causing seizures to Japanese kids. Then the show came here, I already knew what it was so I checked it out. Wasn't into it. 

Pokemon cards came out and still, no interest.

 I see the appeal in these games, where there's a rule of keeping the opponents cards upon beating them and such, still not into this stuff, but I regret not loading up on Pokemon cards, especially when they first came out. I don't see this happening again anytime soon with some game card.

I have card binders loaded with Upper Deck baseball cards from the 80's and 90's, packed away somewhere, I should examine the thing. Maybe take snapshots of of each page and get Grok to list the valuable ones. 

In the 90's, before Internet was widely used, I'd collect Marvel Universe cards, and I pulled this fucker.

A solid prism Hologram of what appears to be clay models. The video doesn't deliver just how clear this hologram is in person. This is before the HD TV and still higher quality than 1080p pixels. It's like a moving photograph. The card itself is quite hard, like a plastic material and the back is pure black. After reading about it, this card was loaded in every 180 packs, very difficult to obtain. Mine went straight into a hard plastic case.

Do I still have it ? No. Brother stole it and when asked he says he doesn't know where it is, so I'll never get it back. Sure I can bid for a new one, or buy it for about $300, but I so wouldn't.

Usually it takes a generation for a great pull to increase in value, but there are some exceptions. Like Michael Jordan's rookie card. and of course for some reason, Pokemon. Specifically the first wave. 

Charizard is the big one right ? I'm reading here in 1999, first wave of Pokemon cards Charizard would appear 1 in every 3 booster packs.

PSA 10 grade sold for $550,000 while this card usually goes for 9k now. 

Odds were 1 in 3. Early collectors would have stacks of the same Charizard they were sick of getting again and again. Sell them at a discount for the sake of liquidating them and buy and house. 

Of course Pokemon was for kids, looking all cute and making some game out of it, so a lot of those Charizards and other first gen cards were violated. 

An unopen box of first generation Pokemon cards, WILL, grant you the Charizard multiple times over.

I'm reading one of these unopened boxes would cost between $200,000 -$400,000. And....each box has 36 packs. The odds being 1 in 3, if odds were accurate that would be 12 Charizards, but since it's odds, it's still possible to score 20 or worse plus every card in the box would be valuable. The type of person to buy something like this would be one whos been making millions of dollars every year for years.

Oh yeah. I was there in the 90's. So were many of you though you were either sucking milk from a nipple or going on field trips in elementary school fucking up your pokemon cards, RIGHT CHAPO !? YOU WERE INTO POKEMON AS A CHILD, AND YOU FUCKED UP ALL YOUR G1 CHARIZARDS AND THEY WENT IN THE TRASH EH !? 

 I had 1 1st edition error charizard that ended up being sold in a yard sale for $20… The big one now is Pikachu Illustrator though, got sold for like 15.6 million iirc.

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That's the one. With no drop shadow. 

Logan sold the PSA 10-graded 1998 Pikachu Illustrator for $16.492,000, I saw him arrange it on that show he was on. 

Bought it for  $5.275,000.oo

Since it was split with the auctioneer Logan walked away with over 8 million. 

Probably would've been a bad idea if he tried to sell it himself, it would look cheap,

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Often times we wonder the use for such fictions as playing card collecting practices.

The thought that we must consciously make use of “un-truth” in our thought still causes him suffering: “One question there is that seems to lie like lead upon our tongues and yet never becomes articulate: the question whether we can consciously remain in falsehood and, if we must, Whether death would not be preferable.

The engine of man subsists off of these illusions and fantasies, historically and psychologically. Generally in practice of elevating himself.

Nietzsche recalls a passage from Voltaire, relevant to our interrogation into the functionality of collecting and practicing card games or whatever:

Croyez-moi, mon ami, l’erreur aussi a son meérite” II, 16: for that reason we must not “destroy” such illusions (368) for they are necessary even to the advanced mind, indeed as necessary as fairy tales and make-believe games are to the child 139 (and for the child too his games are conscious self-deceptions).1 In the advanced mind there develops more and more “the consciousness of illusion” V, 87, indeed a cult of illusion, “if nothing any longer proves to be divine unless it be error, blindness and lies”, since on these “life has been arranged”, V, 275 f. This “impenetrable net of errors” is necessary for life.

To a mind thus advanced all the customary articles of belief and the convictions even of science, become “ regulative fictions” V, 273. He recognizes them as “mere necessary optical errors—necessary if we care to live at all, errors, in so far as all the laws of perspective must by their nature be errors” XII, 42. In this sense he speaks on p. 46 of the “really living untruths”, of the “living errors”, and adds: “tnat is why we must allow errors to live and give them a wide domain”. Summing up, he says 48: “in order that there might be some degree of consciousness in the world, an unreal world of error had to arise: beings with a belief in permanency, in individuals, etc. Not until an imaginary 1 In this sense he says patiently XI, 21: "Why cannot we learn to look upoN metaphysics and relIgion as the legitimate play of Grown-ups?” Similarly of the "illusions of the next world” XI, 66. "There may be necessary errors”, he says, XI, 320, in definite contradiction of what Pascal says of Christian dogmas.
"We need blindness sometimes and must allow certain articles of faith and errors to remain untouched within us—so long as they maintain us in life’? XII, 48. In
another passage (XII, 212) he appears to reprobate this "conscious adherence to illusion and the compulsory assimilation of it as the basis of our civilizaton", which he himself finds necessary ; but the criticism is directed against a misuse by Richard WaGner's world, in contradiction to the absolutE flux, had arisen, was it possible to eRect on this foundation a structure of knowledge ; and now finally we can see the fundamental error [the belief in permanence] upon which everything else rests . . . but this error can only be destroyed with life itself... our bodies without organs are adjusted to error. Thus there arises in the wise man the contradiction of life and of its ultimate determinations: man’s instinct for knowledge presupposes belief in error and life...
to err is the condition of living ... the fact that we know
that we err does not do away with error. And that is nota
bitter thought! We must love and cultivates error: it is the
mother of knowledge.”

Many passages are found in which he summarizes his thought, for instance V, 149: “Such erroneous articles of faith. are the beliefs that there are permanent things, that there are equal things, that our will isfree ...” V,154: “ We operate with things that do not exist, with lines, surfaces, bodies, atoms, divisible time and divisible space ...”; V, 159: “We have arranged for ourselves a world in which we can live—by assum-
ing bodies, lines, surfaces, causes and effects, motion and rest,
shape and content; without these articles of faith nobody would now be able to endure life! But that does not mean that anything has yet been proved. Life is no argument; for error might be one of the conditions of life.” And XI, 72, he develops the idea that matter, as a mass in extension, “is an hallucination ; like things in motion, like Thing in general, like all permanence.” So he says XII, 24: “ Without the assumption of a kind of being which we could oppose to actual reality, we should have nothing by which we could measure, compare
or picture it: error is the presupposition of knowledge. My erroneous love for Spatial Mind presupposes my knowledge that I know nothing about him and must falsify everything hence making it obviously unrequited and without purpose aside from serving as attempted reprobation against or for forlornment and existential damnation. Partial permanency, relative bodies, identical events, similar events—with these we falsify the true state of affairs, but it would be impossible to have knowledge of anything without having falsified it in this way.” “At the beginning of all intellectual activity we encounter the grossest assumptions and inventions, for instance, identity, thing, permanence—these are all coeval with the intellect, and the intellect has modelled its conduct of them” 46. And it is in this sense that he says 156: “The intellect is the means of deception, with its forced forms—substance, identity, permanency”; but it is on such opinions as “the belief in identity, number, space, etc. that the duration of mankind is based”

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feral said: 

My erroneous love for Spatial Mind presupposes my knowledge that I know nothing about him and must falsify everything hence making it obviously unrequited and without purpose aside from serving as attempted reprobation against or for forlornment and existential damnation.

You did attempt to make me suffer with witchcraft before making any effort to really interact with me. Don't know what would've prompted you to do that to someone you're fond of, so it's likely in person you'd be very dangerous. Love doesn't make mistakes, but people in love do. Maybe, you've been wounded before by someone you loved, and if/when you fall in love with someone ( rarely ever happens ) it'll open your wound.

Are you actually new here or did we speak in the past ? Just about everyone here knows who I am and what I look like. 

Anyhow, if you're annoyed with having a crush on me, I can help you. I'm not the type of man to pry open wounds toward someone interested in knowing me with little to no information.

If you really know nothing about me, then it's not me you love, but rather who I could/might really be. You're aware of that, so it's a good start. 

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Turncoat is complaining about being “too poor” to have built up a collection. Not passing judgment. 

Bruh have you seen what they charge for pieces of cardboard based on demand? If I had more sense I'd say that's principally why not to buy them, let alone gambling on booster packs, but then there are websites where you can buy the cards wholesale and the prices that way border on insane. 

When I was a kid, a teen, and in college, those prices were completely unheard of when paired with living expenses. In the life after that, at first it was travel expenses to 'see the world' and then after that literally disordered and on SSI. 

Magic the Gathering updates with seasons essentially; You can typically only enter tournaments with approved cards which tend to phase out older generations. It promotes the sales of more cards meaning anything you buy is doomed to become obsolete. It's the Fast Fashion of board gaming, but a digital alternative like what Chapo plays presents a way to avoid that problem. 

I only wish this shit was around when I was a kid, nowadays all the people I would play against except for one are out of my life for one reason or another. 

The interesting angle here may be hearing how your parents each dealt with discretionary expenditures like Magic Cards and video games and toys, for example, did they simply buy them for you or not.

Yeah sure why not. 

They asked me for what I want and implied a budget, and I tried to help them save money. They mostly played into getting videogames, because they played them too. 

My folks in many ways were far ahead of their time. A big part of my Tekken obsession is over how my father MOCAPed for Baek in Tekken 2, so that motivated him and I to play it all the time. 

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