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Some talk about suicide


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OK, a little bit of a clickbait title. :)

Well slightly, not totally. I remember back in the early 2010s there was this user on PsychForums named JustOneMorePerson. And he was a self-proclaimed psychopath who worked as an EMT. Actually I'm inclined to believe he wasn't a liar after reading enough of what he had to say.

But he had an interesting take on depression which stuck with me, which I think is actually true. It's in my head because I was discussing this with someone yesterday, maybe sharing it is worth it.

His take was that depression is a social selection mechanism, which takes you out of the social group via suicide, in order to benefit the group. And that's kind of true...we are primates, and if you don't have a "tribe", that is when most people start to feel depressed. Some say chemical imbalances...you know I buy that theory less and less every day. In fact low serotonin is probably a good thing. But that is a tangent.

So we have this mechanism as primates which takes us out of the social order once we become isolated. Because within the environment we evolved in, isolation would almost always happen in the context that you were rejected by your social unit. Since no one could really survive on their own. Depression is a lack of meaningful connection, and the reason why depressed people kill themselves is because that is how they are hardwired to not hold the group back. It's like how dogs when they are dying go out to be isolated in a cold spot.

In my personal experience I see this more and more. The homeless people I interact with who give up on everything, in general they have all been abandoned. No social network to speak of. And that might also speak to why I never feel really depressed, because even at my lowest points I have friends, and I'm social.

So what is the takeaway here, tl;dr? Firstly that it's of extreme importance that you belong within some social group. Otherwise your biology will try to convince you to take yourself out of the way. And Secondly we must not forget who and what we are. Primates are social animals, and none of you are exempt from this. Well, that's the end of my rant, I hope some of you enjoyed.

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I knew where this was going without wading too deep. Really quick read but not your best work. Oh and you’re a jerk

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EMT’s and technicians are the worst. Twice experienced emts telling suicidal family members they would go to hell. In these cases asked the attending to remove the tech and have family present 

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You may not be actively suicidal but as the adage goes Eat your heart out then work on your liver.

last edit on 6/7/2025 7:00:11 PM
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What about those who instead just shut down and loiter their own lives? Depression doesn't just have people try to rid themselves out of the pool, a lot will simply go into a vegetative state even with peers around, one where they still find themselves using resources. 

A lot of suicidal people I met were actually part of social groups, even have decent communication skills, but something about 'the suffering of life' just isn't numbing overtime. There's even cases where the same lack of impulse control that allows social skills ends up being how they end up going through with it. 

Still, hard to deny the importance of having peers. 

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EMT’s and technicians are the worst. Twice experienced emts telling suicidal family members they would go to hell. In these cases asked the attending to remove the tech and have family present 

 That's crazy.  Are all EMT's Catholic or something?

Thrall to the Wire of Self-Excited Circuit.
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EMT’s and technicians are the worst. Twice experienced emts telling suicidal family members they would go to hell. In these cases asked the attending to remove the tech and have family present 

 That's crazy.  Are all EMT's Catholic or something?

 It was in the South go figure 

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It certainly feels like depression can shorten one's life,  and it's usually a component to suicide.

I know a guy, none of us really like him anymore. Including his own family, except his Mother who akways enabled his poor behavoir.

He's in a relationship now, and that woman and her family keeps him in check, or else they'll most likely eject him like everyone else did.

I personally never burned any bridges with the guy, I just don't call him. It'll be a waste of time.

He is a narcissist. He ruins holidays and events. At his Father's 70th birthday party he came, got into a heated argument with some friends sons, how they disrespect him, how he's like a Father to them, then he left in 5 minutes.

That happened before I arrived. Around me he's more well mannered.

He is indeed depressed.

I think in the future he'll one day surface and try to kill some of us.

If the mechanisms Tryptamine speculates are true, then it really wouldn't surprise me that this guy I'm talking about will be obnoxious enough to defy the mechanism and actually attempt to kill us all.

If we collected everything that was ever said about him by all who knew him, it would take years to listen to all the gossip about him, and it would be extremely painful to hear people say such things about oneself, and it would all be correct, and true by experience.

Interesting enough he's the one who always called, and it will be him again. I was notified that he posted something on Facebook, but no interest it's likely social media keeps him afloat. 

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OK, a little bit of a clickbait title. :)

Well slightly, not totally. I remember back in the early 2010s there was this user on PsychForums named JustOneMorePerson. And he was a self-proclaimed psychopath who worked as an EMT. Actually I'm inclined to believe he wasn't a liar after reading enough of what he had to say.

But he had an interesting take on depression which stuck with me, which I think is actually true. It's in my head because I was discussing this with someone yesterday, maybe sharing it is worth it.

His take was that depression is a social selection mechanism, which takes you out of the social group via suicide, in order to benefit the group. And that's kind of true...we are primates, and if you don't have a "tribe", that is when most people start to feel depressed. Some say chemical imbalances...you know I buy that theory less and less every day. In fact low serotonin is probably a good thing. But that is a tangent.

So we have this mechanism as primates which takes us out of the social order once we become isolated. Because within the environment we evolved in, isolation would almost always happen in the context that you were rejected by your social unit. Since no one could really survive on their own. Depression is a lack of meaningful connection, and the reason why depressed people kill themselves is because that is how they are hardwired to not hold the group back. It's like how dogs when they are dying go out to be isolated in a cold spot.

In my personal experience I see this more and more. The homeless people I interact with who give up on everything, in general they have all been abandoned. No social network to speak of. And that might also speak to why I never feel really depressed, because even at my lowest points I have friends, and I'm social.

So what is the takeaway here, tl;dr? Firstly that it's of extreme importance that you belong within some social group. Otherwise your biology will try to convince you to take yourself out of the way. And Secondly we must not forget who and what we are. Primates are social animals, and none of you are exempt from this. Well, that's the end of my rant, I hope some of you enjoyed.

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I am the holy spirit. Exodus 23:21 John 14:26 Mark 3:29 Matthew 12:31 matthew 7:7
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EMT’s and technicians are the worst. Twice experienced emts telling suicidal family members they would go to hell. In these cases asked the attending to remove the tech and have family present 

 That's crazy.  Are all EMT's Catholic or something?

 No they are actually angels

over privileged angels usually flock to becoming paramedics most of the time

The poor country ones seem to go be nail

and clothing store people to influence people

I am the holy spirit. Exodus 23:21 John 14:26 Mark 3:29 Matthew 12:31 matthew 7:7
last edit on 6/8/2025 12:52:56 PM
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