I remember in one of the topics Trypt you said something interesting. The right will not allow for censorship given their long-term campaign against it.
I wonder how you view right-wing websites like 9gag, where censorship by the left is scoffed at? The website is seen by the members as a bastion of free speech. Would you be surprised that the admin shadow bans posts with sensitive keywords?
On the same website they were promoting information war narratives against Russia. The idea was that spread of pro Ukraine information was necessary to counter Russian propaganda, so they upboted posts no matter how obviously mindless the narrative was, as long as it was pro ukraine. Everyone was totally onboard with it, while they laughed at mindless leftists because they did basically the same thing but with LGBTQ.
One month before the Ukraine war they were promoting Putin as like a strong man world leader because he made some anti leftist comments against Greta thunberg. Then after Ukraine war everyone agreed he was Hitler. Now I guess he's totally sensible again.
These people are basically cattle.
Free speech is inherently an imperialist and bourgeoisie lie. Obviously speech itself is an action and represents neurological behavior.
Same with free will, deny reality to justify imperialism and colonialism.
i don't know anything about 9gag. censorship on social media really is more the norm than the exception. that's how we got Kick from Twitch, Bitchute, Rumble and Odysee from YouTube, X from Twitter. of course, these platforms do censor and shadow ban as well. but in these cases, it's applied almost exclusively to "hate content", which wouldn't have a host without these platforms. the line in the sand seems to be calls for violence
but really it's X and Rumble where we expect conversations to not be stifled. as they represent the shift in the overton window of what is acceptable conversation. no one expects anything out of reddit, or facebook, or countless other platforms
there is cause for concern about free speech on the right as well. i think leftists are worried woke stuff is going to be suppressed. i don't see that happening. but we might have a problem discussing influence in our politics—specifically about AIPAC—because this administration is as zionist as it gets. there has been a push in the background to get platforms and politicians to stand behind the IHRA definition of antisemitism, and to combat "antisemitism". it's a problem when we can't discuss influence in our politics or media because it gets framed as an antisemitic trope. we see this on campuses too, with the suppression of pro-palestinian activism. the trump administration already formulated something called Project Esther to this end. we will have to see what happens, but i suspect if there needs to be any worry about free speech, it will be on this front
Hmmh.
Ok well I'd need to think about that a bit then. I don't see X as a bastion of free speech either, although I agree with you that it allows for right-wing talking points that are banned elsewhere. I'm not sure how much of the non-right-wing-motivated freedom of speech initiatives they have, but maybe you have concrete examples where they promote freedom of speech in a context other than the suppression on the right. If so I'd be curious to learn more and would probably change my mind.
At any rate, from what I gather, do you mean to say that only the only certain sections of the right-wing would support freedom of speech for all? Then I take back my post; I had understood that your view was that the right-wing as a movement is against censorship and thus will act against any idea to suppresses freedom of speech irrespective of where it comes from. Hence I was curious about right-wing websites and efforts that do censor and shadow ban content and how you reconcile this fact with your views.
Ok well I'd need to think about that a bit then. I don't see X as a bastion of free speech either, although I agree with you that it allows for right-wing talking points that are banned elsewhere.
What free speech is X censoring? I haven't really noticed it doing that.
At any rate, from what I gather, do you mean to say that only the only certain sections of the right-wing would support freedom of speech for all?
I feel like Tryp would recognize how The Religious Right burns books and shit.
I was curious about right-wing websites and efforts that do censor and shadow ban content and how you reconcile this fact with your views.
Might be worth asking about what websites he has seen, rather than 9gag in particular.
I read about 9gag cause I find it hard to believe a right wing platform would be known for censorship.
One of the first things I found is that 9gag is Chinese, ran from Hong Kong, which traditionally has been left leaning, except for as of late, they're more inspired by conservatism, cause let's face it, they are now a part of China ( communist socialism ) and in that case liberalism would make them more submissive to that government.
9gag is a place for content creators, similar to tik tok but not bound to video. The best memes are created by the right wing. There was once a time when humor wasn't cancelled. Racist and sexist jokes are actually some of the best, but frowned upon by the cancel culture, who are left wing. With this it's easy to see why 9gag would be taken as a right wing platform, though, censoring a word like Murica isn't exactly a right wing ideology either now is it.
The modern left isn't funny and because they don't really shine, they'll want what they can't really compete with destroyed.
In tern the right wing will make memes about the radical left. How they have tantrums, and are in all actually everything they claim to hate.
in 2024 the most hatred for Jews comes from the left. Blocking roads and hijacking Universities for Hamas, and hateful slurs calling to wipe out a race is something the left does.
The left is also racist. White people hate white people more than anyone these days, and those same white people bend their knee as a gesture to give coloured people a chance. But you know, that is a great insult to coloured people, it's actually white supremacy, as those white people think they have to tone it down to allow people lesser than they are to flourish.
Everything the radical left hates they actually are. The modern left are don't tolerate the simplest of freedoms, and they do call for censorship in Universities.
The oligarchy in the west has always been made up of rich liberal minds, who for years controlled and censored to place their narratives to the top, while banning anyone they don't agree with. Billionaires, are mostly left leaning. Google, Meta platforms, Twitter, did the right dirty, though Google still does. Bill Gates is left wing, and a list of others in power. Then..... There's 9gag, which is all of a sudden a Big fucking deal and now the right is to blame and all about shutting up the left, right Legga, except it's the left who are all about censorship, cancelling speakers, having mental breakdowns over speech etc.
The truth is. The right is entertained by the left, and it's not because they think the left is talented, but rather the right kinda gets a kick from seeing emotionally weak people whine about the world not revolving around them. It's an abundant supply of inspiration to create memes.
Truth be told.
