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Tryptamine said:

Turncoat said:

Bruh I've been having these kinds of thoughts since I was five, you can't expect me to get over this any faster than I can expect you to quit drinking.

At this point it's been a present thought for so long that it can't not be identified with, and frankly I don't see how my having these views hurts anyone rather than opens the floor for mockery and ridicule.

From my POV, it seems weird to see those who are making fun of me and those like me while claiming to be oppressed. I see how it got there, but it's still weird for The Right to be like "Mah rights" while aiming to take the rights of another away. Why should the weight be put on me to change for your benefit when instead we could learn to tolerate eachother?

ya that's part of why i feel bad about the drunk response, i am aware of that. i do think people are being "convinced" they are trans because of the media programming. but i know also how some have the experience you describe, as well as the brain structure correlates.

When allowing for progressive change it's typically going to be people exploring uncharted territory. There are always going to be people taking predatory advantage of new structures as how to challenge that system when presented with some profane form of opportunity from it, and there are going to be people who follow it as a trend who otherwise risk becoming DeTransitioners, I'm not denying that and think there ought to be a barrier rather than radical acceptance or complete abstinence such as having that person have to spend enough time as the other gender to be permitted the procedures. However, having the squeaky wheel extreme minority affect policy for the majority of that subculture isn't really fair or helpful and trial running a new model is how to figure out how to get around it's presented flaws. 

When you consider the LGBTQ+, 5.5% of Americans identify as that and only a fraction of that are Trans. When you factor in how this is only over Identity politics rather than emphasizing those willing to go through the painful and arduous process it ends up as very few people who are actually going to go through the procedure. 

I would understand if this radically trended towards like... 25% lets say for a rough figure, but we've got to be talking about like what, 2% of Americans? 

i do ultimately think you can't ever actually be a woman, therefor you have to make a decision.

This is why even within LGBTQ+ terminology that they go with cis vs trans as a discussion of sex vs gender. It's not like the differences aren't recognized, the question is moreover what should be done about it. 

Now there are people out there on the Right that argue that "Gender Does Not Exist" or that it's just another word for "Personality", and I'd be fine with that view myself if it didn't otherwise get in the way of discourse. The notion that "Gender Does Not Exist" is actually a fairly common stance from "Gender Fluid" self-identifiers, giving it the room for progressive stances to follow, but from The Right it typically serves to marginalize their sense of identity by saying they can only demonstrate as the sex via their birth, like as if people are born with an inherent dress code. 

I also find it absurd that I can legally be assigned the job of cleaning a woman's bathroom, yet I can't use it. If the problem is over having "men" in their bathrooms then why is it okay for me to clean up their piss and shit? 

at best someone can "fit in". even then i think of ladyboys in greece or whatever...absorption of the feminine within the masculine.

Yeah... "passing". 😔

That insecurity is ultimately why I didn't end up going towards hormones, there's no level of training my voice that I can do to escape how deep my voice is and my eyes are hyperfixated on all the flaws to the point that I know it'd risk becoming an obsession at the expense of my health. I've had people tell me that I could pass, but I am so vain over it that I'll never believe them. For every few who might let me "pass", the few who give that "wtf" look really sting as a reminder of how I view myself as failing to pass, which in turn has me not trust those being tolerant as if they are "The Silent Left". 

It really is moreover a problem with societal acceptance, had I been raised during a time that was more accepting of it, as times are demonstrating the potential of becoming, then maybe I wouldn't be so fixated on "passing". I recognize that my desires are cringe to the onlooker and that is a very uncomfortable position to be in, what trans person wants to be stared at like that? Even with how embarassing it stands to be though there is still a deeply rooted desire to "play the other part", and my "acceptance" has moreso been akin to seeing myself as a failure and giving up on myself. 

We're in a time period now that is dancing back and forth near the line of acceptance, that is radically different from when I was growing up. Where before I felt as if I had no voice, and therefor did not speak up over it, people born after we were have been thrown into a gender norms battleground where they feel that they have to fight for it in order to be respected instead of bullied over it. 

The fucked up part is that, in spite of my vanity, I feel I'd be happier as a frumpy woman than a sexy man. It's not about trying to play on some perception of femme privilege or whatever, it's about looking how I've otherwise felt for a good long time rather than having to wear a "Man Costume" because society prefers it so that I don't judge myself through their glances. "Passing" doesn't have to be sexy in spite of patriarchal pressures to lump them together, but I don't think I could pass as even an ugly woman and this has contributed towards a Nihilism within that. 

one can hope to be blair white or contrapoints, but is that the kind of reality that is going to play out well? but at any rate the intention is not to be demeaning

That is highly dependent on individual factors, and the modern fixation on "passing". I am of the age group that saw a pre-trans acceptance scenario; as a kid I thought the only way I'd be able to do this is was to fly to Tijuana where they'd botch the job horribly which in itself dissuaded that brand of thinking. Society was also more Christian overall when I was growing up which ultimately silenced my voice even in a highly progressive city and, among many other factors, was a contributor towards my lean on Atheism. 

Even my father choosing to stay home with my mother continuing to be a lucrative member of the work force, with a portfolio of awards and shit, had them being seen as if something was inherently wrong with them, telling me that it's not something most people are ready to talk about and that it'd direct spotlight on me to discuss the differences in an exclusionary way. In general, I've seen more progressive people grow from homes where the mother and father's roles were flipped, which to me demonstrates that it's moreover cultural norms than anything else. 

In that sense it very easily created an "in the closet" scenario where I didn't feel comfortable talking about it, and this is from a household that otherwise is very LGBTQ+ as long as it's NIMBY. I came from a privileged enough position as a white person from a home with a high enough economic station to somewhat avoid the issues I see others going through, so of course I'm more equipt to not be as aggressive or loudspoken about the concept over how I was not oppressed as badly. 

How can't a group, who has been told they cannot speak their truth, end up becoming passionate and emboldened over the day they finally can? I see parallels between The Right (and The Silent Left) being said they couldn't even question the Trans movement similarly to how Trans people prior felt they could not speak this truth at all, and further that peer groups who existed back then were mostly kinky fucks rather than tolerant ones when compared relatively over Society's demonstration of it as Taboo. 

It's like the argument over how normalizing sex work serves to protect women; at first it looks absurd but when taken further into account that's what would help afford them medicine and police assistance more readily while also granting them enough respect to change their occupation after the fact. Even OnlyFans can be argued to be putting such work less in the hands of pimps and the once predatory porn industry to such a degree that they'd need to go to court to sue over copywrite prior when they wanted to withdraw their own materials. 

I also see Blair White as closer to what the trans movement is liable to become, while Contrapoints began as a right wing apologist instead that eventually nosedived emotionally and began blaming herself so hard that her videos following became increasingly conceptual. Her points are valid but there's a tragedy there too.

kuhne said: 

Turncoat said: 

Bruh I've been having these kinds of thoughts since I was five, you can't expect me to get over this any faster than I can expect you to quit drinking. 

Basically born that way? Or environmental causes?

Without a brain scan or whatever I can't really answer that, but AI has reached a point where it can sort out gender via brain activity with a reported 98% success rate, which somewhat opposes notions of being "born that way" similarly to the XX-XY chromosome discussion. That being said I do think that one's self-view of gender can be something someone is born with based on how society pigeonholes gender norms. 

With that being said, I'm more the sort to ascribe it as aspects of behavior as a spectrum in relation to T vs E balances, since I see a lot more differences in indicative behaviors there than I do from their genitals. Even with injections you can begin to see these shifts across the line that we hold as 'The Gender Binary' as a matter of how thoughts and feelings begin to process. 

Most of the argument I see against trans rights is over a lack of perceived safety or fairness for women, as if Inclusion is inherently the danger for them rather than a percent of a percent of people who abuse openings as they find them. If the safety factors were to be addressed then what true problems remain? A lot of my argument is moreover that people are going to do this anyway, mostly thanks to The Internet giving them a safe space, so they might as well have healthier options available.

While the argument over Bottom Surgery is debated even among the Trans Community, how bad for instance is Top Surgery for Society really? Is there something functionally wrong with a woman wanting breast reduction until it's a chest, and is there something wrong with a man wanting breasts? 

Tryptamine said:

2016/2020 i wasn't really following politics closely. i only started paying a lot of attention these last 2 or 3 years. which i wasn't really active on here during. 

That's fair. 

but i made concerns clear this election cycle

Again weren't those concerns about those adjacent to Trump, rather than anything over Trump himself? 

Even someone I like is bound to have some bad hires, and I wouldn't say that's really their fault until it becomes a tendency. 

oh no, i think trump is great. i even wish he was the thing the left is hysterical about—total fascist and dictator. 

What do you see as room for constructive growth from this approach, and how would you see the world stage's political climate shift over that? 

Unless I am mistaken, a lot of why the US is sending so much aid to other countries is over a prior agreement; That these countries would be entitled aid via their allies if attacked as long as they agree to not house nuclear munitions. We see a similar agreement, made this year, between North Korea and Russia over protecting eachother in relation to Ukraine affairs. Couldn't it be argued that this alliance's room to be seen as a policy echo was done so that the US trying to broker a treaty would end up with it more heavily weighted in Russia's favor via Strongman Tactics, and that by using similar enough wording that it'd be easier to understand? 

I think the US becoming fascistic and ultranationalist is essentially handing other countries from said Alliance into Russia's hands. While as a US citizen I find it very easy to be like "Not My Problem", it stands to become our problem once other countries are assimilated into a Russian alliance if The US at that point continues to try to distance themselves from the problem. To me, these other countries we have in our alliance are like a protective barrier, a warfare condom, even a Wall one might say, between them and us, and without that barrier what's stopping them from overtaking The US down the line? 

China has a crazy strong naval force, Russia's snagging allies, there'll be a point where us spending nearly 10 times as much as any other country on it might not prove to be enough. 

but i don't have any qualms saying some of the stuff i find negative about him. for example:

• 1. susceptible to flattery, which can be an oversight when it comes to who he can trust
• 2. is old, getting older
• 3. strong reliance on delegation—wants to steer the ship without micromanaging the levers. let jared kushner et al. run everything

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• 4. off-the-cuff with everything. that's a strength in some ways, but a weakness when you don't even prepare adequately for a debate on your run for presidency. blindsided by a question on medical insurance that he was hit with in 2016 or 2020

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• 5. cuts a bit too many deals and some of them work against us. opposes immigration as a platform, but cuts a deal with silicon valley to attach more green cards to visas. opposes american intervention as a platform, but takes money from the adelsons and starts talking about how israel needs to expand. very curious how he is going to handle this iran situation

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• 6. tied to the last point, a willingness to vacillate on hardline issues when things get brutal. for example, the wall never ended up quite being what it was supposed to be
• and in connection with the wall, he only did handle migration appropriately during the last phase of his term. but we may be able to expect something different after this red tide and all the powers that be lining behind him

Nice list, longer than I expected too. One through three have been a common talking point from me and I appreciate seeing it from the other side from people who aren't just Ben Shapiro. 

4. The problem I see with it is that he can't explain what those he delegates towards are doing well enough while also somewhat winging his plans, demonstrating that he as a leader doesn't have enough knowledge to make educated decisions within the framework of US laws. It's not like he's doing those jobs himself so it makes sense that he might not be able to explain it as well as a specialist might, but through this he has hired some scummy or unqualified people to fill in these roles over appreciating both their allegiance and bluster.

Rather than take the easier stance of saying he's just greedy and evil as why he's picking these people or that he's picking these people to keep himself out of jail, and rather than how readily I will appeal to his DSM-qualifiable Narcissism over how that ends up treated as an ad hominem attack (I mean lets face it narcissism has leadership qualities)... I am willing to reduce my claim as far as it being dangerous that he's hiring people without understanding what good or ill they pose to his own ideals. 

Frankly, I think he's trying to build a friends table because of how his attempt with Space Force failed before meeting with foreign leaders. He has expressed frustration and distrust with the government slowing him down, and then these other world leaders show him how it could "get done faster" through complete control as if offering him advice as one of his peers. It wasn't until that meeting that he began worrying more about loyal followers rather than competent specialists who may not see eye to eye with him, lending to a reduction of overall quality in the name of his own perception of personal safety. 

5. I figured the tariffs angle was to try to force people to respect him more, and to give the impression that he can offer deals by offering them what they were already getting. 

It's a business strategy that fits market trends, he wants to raise the price so that he can use it as a tool for alliances similar to offering coupons and membership benefits, as perks for his friends once he feels he can prove to the rest of the world (more than he'd need to prove to us) that The US is an independent nation. 

I think pulling out of foreign affairs as he is in a seemingly Ultranationalist direction serves to pull out of former alliances, allowing him to start on a fresh canvas when it comes to picking allies rather than former agreements he's found himself saddled with that he thinks is ripping people off (in spite of his claim to want to build an Iron Dome over the entirety of the US, a wicked expensive project). 

As is, it's difficult for Trump to become true allies with Russia because of all the existing red tape, and with this idea being floated of Trump being "The Peace President" I think we're going to see more issues over an unwillingness to maintain current agreements. Once Trump has dumped his allies in favor of supporting the US solely, what's to stop Russia from gathering those people into their own alliances, especially if we can be spun as inconsistent or more broadly an enemy of their interests after the treaty break?

At that point Russia could outright make threats where now they can't as easily. 

6. Border Patrol's a hard job and I feel like downplaying how hard it is works against it. The border's closed, there's numerous background checks in place, yet people still keep coming in in numbers identical to the end of Trump's term four years later. I struggle to see this problem as something that can be solved so much as embolden foreigners to take bigger risks. 

The real question ought to be if we enact something similar to the "Remain In Mexico" issues we saw before or if we house them in a border town or half-way house of sorts. I guess we'll see. 

Turncoat said:

It certainly was for Bernie, he was piiiisssed.

 might not all go totally bad for him

I would definitely need more information over this, as to me this looks like a bid to pacify Leftists under the shared umbrella of the economy. A lot of leftists have abstained from voting over preferring a Bernie or Jill Stein be putting in the work, and I think them moving Bernie into their fold is ultimately a way to try to secure Green Party votes towards The Right. 

Trump's hires have been pretty wild and all over the place, which is the only reason it doesn't really shock me that they'd drag Bernie in there otherwise. Bernie also spoke out about how lost The Left is, how it's their fault for this turnout, so go figure The Right might try to home in on that message by drafting the guy who said it. 

With how defeatist Bernie is about his own parties though, I can agree with him potentially seeing this as the only way to enact any real change since said changes otherwise may never happen. It'd a compromise, but it still reads to me as a strategy from The Right to enterprise on his current self-party protest momentum. 

Turncoat said:

What else would you say in the modern scheme is a Leftist Concept in school?

i think that's what everyone is really in a furor about (the lgbt stuff)

What would you say are your first thoughts when I use the word "Inclusion"? It's becoming the conceptual buzzword to replace less warm wording.