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Good said: 

There is a truth, you just lack the balls to take the risk of announcing it. You can never be perfectly sure of a truth. But you can accept the truth and preach it, as the truth, because you believe in it. And practically, the truth is not so hard to find. Only in some extreme theoretical situations, it is practically different.

Without accepting the truth, you can never move swiftly, confidently and decisively.
You will always be confused, conflicted and running in circles.

You should be open-minded up to a point.

Personal truth or objective truth though? You keep switching between "a" and "the", but the tone sounds like the former. 

Ę̵̚x̸͎̾i̴͚̽s̵̻͐t̷͐ͅe̷̯͠n̴̤̚t̵̻̅i̵͉̿a̴̮͊l̵͍̂ ̴̹̕D̵̤̀e̸͓͂t̵̢͂e̴͕̓c̸̗̄t̴̗̿ï̶̪v̷̲̍é̵͔
last edit on 7/17/2019 6:01:01 AM
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Good said: 

There is a truth, you just lack the balls to take the risk of announcing it. You can never be perfectly sure of a truth. But you can accept the truth and preach it, as the truth, because you believe in it. And practically, the truth is not so hard to find. Only in some extreme theoretical situations, it is practically different.

Without accepting the truth, you can never move swiftly, confidently and decisively.
You will always be confused, conflicted and running in circles.

You should be open-minded up to a point.

Personal truth or objective truth though? You keep switching between "a" and "the", but the tone sounds like the former. 

Wasnt your argument that every truth is personal?

And that you cant get objective?

Well, my argument is that you can get objective to a reasonable level and believing it after you get to that level.

Cheery bye!
last edit on 7/17/2019 6:05:27 AM
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Good said: 
Good said: 

There is a truth, you just lack the balls to take the risk of announcing it. You can never be perfectly sure of a truth. But you can accept the truth and preach it, as the truth, because you believe in it. And practically, the truth is not so hard to find. Only in some extreme theoretical situations, it is practically different.

Without accepting the truth, you can never move swiftly, confidently and decisively.
You will always be confused, conflicted and running in circles.

You should be open-minded up to a point.

Personal truth or objective truth though? You keep switching between "a" and "the", but the tone sounds like the former. 

Wasnt your argument that every truth is personal?

Yeah, but Spatial's has been that there's only one truth. Figured I'd ask from the language used to clarify. 

And that you cant get objective?

I think it's beyond our grasp to know the difference beyond portions of it that were not once there through personal detachment, but even then that's a subjective opinion of my own. 

I do not see a way out of the subjectivity trap when the words themselves are both so all-or-nothing. 

Well, my argument is that you can get objective to a reasonable level and believing it after you get to that level.

While still not "objective", reasonable seems to push things as we understand them further. They at least let us connect our points from a similar pool of knowledge and allow not just consensuses and compromises to be made, but even a sense of progress in a direction at all. 

I definitely see the merits behind trying to keep things reasonable through a structure meant to share information and attempt to prevent bias, as it's averaged out logistics for how to get points across between two people, but that reason itself is still subjectively formed if we're to go poking through the semantics of it, and could have been built in an otherwise different way and still accomplished similar aims. What makes it so important however isn't just the details of it, but the fact that the exchange is one that is mutually understood and agreed on. 

The room for consensus is where the most progress can be made, but building those bridges requires finding their "Mutual Voice" as I've been calling it. If that cannot be done then communication is mostly just a form of venting. Things like debate can serve as a way to get around the ego walls that'd otherwise block off another's view. 

Much of reason is found through comparison, and reason, in my subjective opinion, seems to work. If we changed our understanding at it's foundations, it'd be through how not just ourselves, but the world responds to that information, that would stand to reformat what's otherwise understood to be "reason". For example, it was once seen as unreasonable to use a computer for more than an hour or two a day, now who knows what people'd consider reasonable for that. 

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last edit on 7/17/2019 6:21:41 AM
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You can be closer to the truth while everyone else is totally off.

The reason is based on the scientific method, even by people who don't know this method. As is said: seeing is believing, but don't take this literary. Seeing can be any form of an experiment of reality and testing a theory.

Cheery bye!
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Good said: 

You can be closer to the truth while everyone else is totally off.

Much like I applied to Spatial's case, there's ways to be correct incorrectly. 

What good is knowing the truth if you can't do much about it or even successfully communicate it? Someone 1000 years ago guessing we'd have the internet eventually would be right by what we understand to be our reality, but what bearing does that really have on that person's life and understanding if it's otherwise unconfirmable beyond purely just yourself? 

How can one trust themselves? I see tons of people doing it and, based on a basis of averages, it seems unreasonable. 

Ę̵̚x̸͎̾i̴͚̽s̵̻͐t̷͐ͅe̷̯͠n̴̤̚t̵̻̅i̵͉̿a̴̮͊l̵͍̂ ̴̹̕D̵̤̀e̸͓͂t̵̢͂e̴͕̓c̸̗̄t̴̗̿ï̶̪v̷̲̍é̵͔
last edit on 7/17/2019 7:14:03 AM
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1 votes RE: bz is back!
Good said: 

You can be closer to the truth while everyone else is totally off.

Much like I applied to Spatial's case, there's ways to be correct incorrectly. 

What good is knowing the truth if you can't do much about it or even successfully communicate it? Someone 1000 years ago guessing we'd have the internet eventually would be right by what we understand to be our reality, but what bearing does that really have on that person's life and understanding if it's otherwise unconfirmable beyond purely just yourself? 

How can one trust themselves? I see tons of people doing it and, based on a basis of averages, it seems unreasonable. 

The truth is first for you, second for others. 

The only person you can really trust is yourself.

 

Knowing the truth gives you an edge that will prevail above all who do not know the truth, as long as you use that knowledge for your advantage.

Cheery bye!
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So it's more about streamlining and conviction through introspection of your own personal merits and shortcomings, effectively aiming to know what to expect to reduce hesitation and uncertainty. 

Seems reasonable. 

Good said:
The only person you can really trust is yourself.

I have a funny relationship with that. 

Ę̵̚x̸͎̾i̴͚̽s̵̻͐t̷͐ͅe̷̯͠n̴̤̚t̵̻̅i̵͉̿a̴̮͊l̵͍̂ ̴̹̕D̵̤̀e̸͓͂t̵̢͂e̴͕̓c̸̗̄t̴̗̿ï̶̪v̷̲̍é̵͔
last edit on 7/17/2019 7:23:44 AM
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Waking Life said:
You haven't met yourself yet. But the advantage to meeting others in the meantime is that one of them may present you to yourself.

This has been my life model since I was five. 

Ę̵̚x̸͎̾i̴͚̽s̵̻͐t̷͐ͅe̷̯͠n̴̤̚t̵̻̅i̵͉̿a̴̮͊l̵͍̂ ̴̹̕D̵̤̀e̸͓͂t̵̢͂e̴͕̓c̸̗̄t̴̗̿ï̶̪v̷̲̍é̵͔
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1 votes RE: bz is back!
Waking Life said:
You haven't met yourself yet. But the advantage to meeting others in the meantime is that one of them may present you to yourself.

This has been my life model since I was five. 

Well this has been my life model since I was five:

'I don't know what I'm doing
All I know is I don't wanna stop'

The amount of confusion I have sifted through is enough(on some matters).
It doesn't really matter in the end.

Cheery bye!
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You don't think Ed and I's constant back and forth contributed towards his deterioration? 


 What deterioration, you twat? It was you who went from essay-typing coherent posts to mindless, sleepless illiterate spammer for 3 months. How did I deteriorate?

I just want other people to read this shit and be confused whether it's part of the post or not.
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