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So how do you expect this to appeal to other people though? 

Turncoat said: 

So how do you expect this to appeal to other people though? 

 Ideally people could understand reality, but the point is, reality doesn't change for anyone so it's a benefit to accept the value of peace no matter what. Self defense is just an extension of peace. Violence is a way people try to force change instead of it being a natural change or something with natural results.

Turncoat said: 

So how do you expect this to appeal to other people though? 

Sorry I meant this towards Turquie. 

There's books on her ideas of nonviolence, yet the masses don't seem ready for it. Even if they were, what would sustain it? 

Tacky said: 

Turncoat said: 

So how do you expect this to appeal to other people though? 

 Ideally people could understand reality, but the point is, reality doesn't change for anyone so it's a benefit to accept the value of peace no matter what. Self defense is just an extension of peace. Violence is a way people try to force change instead of it being a natural change or something with natural results.

So you're saying it's better to not know how to defend yourself? 

I specifically said self defense is an extension of peace even though it can be used in a predatory way.

Tacky said: 

I specifically said self defense is an extension of peace even though it can be used in a predatory way.

Ahh I misread. 

What really defines the line between using it in a predatory way or not though, simply waiting for the other person to hit you first?

Turncoat said: 

Tacky said: 

I specifically said self defense is an extension of peace even though it can be used in a predatory way.

Ahh I misread. 

What really defines the line between using it in a predatory way or not though, simply waiting for the other person to hit you first?

 I mean I get that excessive force is a questionable topic when it comes to self defense and that people should be allowed to use effective force which could always be excessive imo. But on the other hand, people come up with excuses to act in "self defense" like how you mention using pre-emptive force which can be a way to get away with bullying people.

Excusing that they are "afraid of how they act or etc.," and trust me as someone with autism people already verbally attack me and villainize me so I can definitely see people getting away with using violence on us including lethal force. Trust me when I say that people come up with any excuse too and that it's not even really about being physically attacked or threatened but instead just "feeling scared" which can also mean as an unspoken rule that "the person has socially unacceptable behavior so it acceptable to escalate to physical force."

It's what I would call a "violent reactionary" side of alienation and societal abuse of autistic people.

Tacky said: 

Turncoat said: 

Tacky said: 

I specifically said self defense is an extension of peace even though it can be used in a predatory way.

Ahh I misread. 

What really defines the line between using it in a predatory way or not though, simply waiting for the other person to hit you first?

 I mean I get that excessive force is a questionable topic when it comes to self defense and that people should be allowed to use effective force which could always be excessive imo. But on the other hand, people come up with excuses to act in "self defense" like how you mention using pre-emptive force which can be a way to get away with bullying people.

Excusing that they are "afraid of how they act or etc.," and trust me as someone with autism people already verbally attack me and villainize me so I can definitely see people getting away with using violence on us including lethal force. Trust me when I say that people come up with any excuse too and that it's not even really about being physically attacked or threatened but instead just "feeling scared" which can also mean as an unspoken rule that "the person has socially unacceptable behavior so it acceptable to escalate to physical force."

It's not unreasonable to ask what you do in these situations for someone to "trust you" and your narrative.  You rely a lot in your "argument" from authority.  Give examples, be honest, and trust people for their judgement or don't.  Otherwise, you are being extremely unfair in your pre-assessment and preachy.  If you don't see that, that's part of the problem, Tacky.

I'd say we live in an era where reason and fairness are not dominant so it does not matter. Maybe if society organizes in a better way then it could be.