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I have no idea what I'd do with that. 

What did you do with it? 

Turncoat said: 

I have no idea what I'd do with that. 

What did you do with it? 

 It's actually kind of a funny story, only something '2023' could come up with. A very 2023 story. 

So, someone was doing design work for a client. The client happens to be a pastor, of a christian church. 

Now it's making sense right. Lol, so, some pieces are bought before the client pays and then it's written off later. Yada yada yada. Then the client pays by a certain date for the design work. 

(on commercial deals it works way differently, but this was just a personal client). 

Anyway, the client refused to pay, at the end, the full ticket. So, he only paid partially and then refused to complete the transaction. So, the designer decided not to 'finish' the job or the 'installation' of the purchased materials for the project, and to keep it all and just sell it off or whatever. 

It was very corrupt the reason why he refused to pay at the end, I can't remember the specifics but basically he was 100% trying to pull a fast one and get away with not paying the full amount by saying, "oh I don't like the art, so I'll pay you less (shorting the designer like 20k or something insane) since I don't want the art anymore." 

And it's like, okay but, that wasn't an agreed upon thing. Part of how a designer is able to make profit on a project is through the art work and other items they specify for the project, so once the art is purchased you can't just say, "oh nvm, I'm not going to pay you." it's too late. And there was nothing in writing you know, to back the pastor up. 

It's shady, basically. There's a reason why designers don't do 'refunds' like this, as a standard business practice, because if they did- basically everyone would go around going at the end like, "oh, but I didn't like the colors- I'm still going to use all that work you did. But, I'm going to pay you half the agreed upon amount for said work." All day everyday, and they would essentially make zero dollars. 

It's a flat fee. It's not negotiable after the fact it's been established. It's not like a retail item where you don't like it so you return it and get your money back. Design work doesn't work this way. You're paying for the designers time and skill set. 

Anyway, if it were me, maybe I would of been a little lenient and tried to work out a deal. But according to the designer he has been very rude and unnecessarily difficult to deal with from the beginning, and was obviously just trying to snake out of payment, thinking he was slick. 

If the agreed upon amount at the beginning is for example 50,000 dollars, it's 50,000 dollars. The designer doesn't sign up for jobs with an unknown amount at the end, because they have to pace out their work according to how much they're making, in order to stay on track with however much annual income is needed to support their business and livelihood lol. 

So, if it was a 20,000 deal, the designer wouldn't of wasted their time with it in the first place- and wouldn't of put in so much work and time to it, and would of went off to catch a bigger fish. That's how it works, unfortunately. 

If you're wanting to pay less, there are designers who will work with you, but maybe not one of this particular calliber with this kind of insane level of experience and skill set, and portfolio. Very well established, you know. Designers choose their clients when they get to that level. 

I mean, maybe he didn't understand all these unsaid rules that are the lay of the land as far as how, the design field works? But yeah, if you refuse to pay in full at the end. The designer can choose to cease working on the project, withhold purchased materials, and never complete the install- essentially abandoning the job. 

In the end, both parties were dissatisfied and angry at each other, and ironically, all of this is centered around, design work for a church. Morality went out the window as far as, treating each other nicely and with, mutual respect at the very least.... I think in Christianity one of the phrases that is upheld the most commonly is "do unto others as you would like to be treated." So. I found the whole situation very ironic. 

Blanc said: 

Turncoat said: 

I have no idea what I'd do with that. 

What did you do with it? 

 It's actually kind of a funny story, only something '2023' could come up with. A very 2023 story. 

So, someone was doing design work for a client. The client happens to be a pastor, of a christian church. 

Now it's making sense right.

Kinda, but I would have imagined one made of wood. The see-thru part's what's strange to me.