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Good said: 

if she pays for work done, not for work achieved, it doesnt matter what her idea is

True, I knew of a business barely off the ground that didn't even tell their employees what they'd be working on. They were paid for their time and in the end nothing officially came of it. 

The one I knew who was involved with it claims they started questioning if it was some sort of social experiment. It was like keeping an entire staff of people on retainer for the task that never came. 

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Not telling your workers what they're working on is like Hitler not listening to his generals' feedback.

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That wouldn't be the first of it's kind, and it's not happening.

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That wouldn't be the first of it's kind, and it's not happening.

 She's retarded, thinks muslims would blow money and shit.

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What the fuck does it do then? 

 

If you're such a "propaganda" genius, why did this pitch totally bomb. It's not even clear what you are presenting here. 

 

It's called marketing by the way, not propaganda. 

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Blanc said: 

What the fuck does it do then? 

It's an app so beggars can beg for money. 

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KillMe said: 

I have a great idea for an app that is also charitable. There are two target audiences, rich people and poor people. The rich people will help out the poor people by doing what they love doing.

This last statement is totally unclear. Doing what? How will it work? 

It is mainly for Americans because there are a lot of them and they have more money than most people in other countries,

Bad assumption. Do your research. Wealthy people love getting tax write offs, no matter what part of the globe they are on. Your organization is charitable so them donating to it would be considered a tax write off for them, aka, saving them money in the long run. 

but it will also be targeted to people in the middle east who have oil money and people who follow Islam. This is for both the app and charity portions.

There is oil money in more places than just the Middle East XD But ok, your target is basically everyone all ages, all nationalities? 

 

This is marketing amateur mistake 101- I just went to a marketing event where I was given the opportunity to be educated by an experienced professional in the field, and one of the first points she made clear was the biggest mistake people make in marketing, especially large brands are guilty of this- they try to appeal to everyone ages 0-100, all genders, globally. 

 

She gave us a quote that said, "You can't make everyone like you. You are not pizza." 

 

Don't make this mistake. 

The app will initially require an international support team,

You're thinking large, I get it. You want to recruit all over, but most software companies that start out developing apps as a team are usually quite small just a handful of paid employees working together on an app that's recieved investment funding and an overhead financial manager of sorts- and then the techies just work for about 2 years in a little office space in California developing the fuck out of this app before it's released, and then whatever you invest, you profit off of that depending on how well the app does. 

if we want to do this fast,

What's the rush? 

so I am looking for people who want to help make this idea a reality. 

So you want to develop an app, and what else? What is the idea in whole? 

When the app is finished, the real work will begin. We will need people who are familiar with their home country and are willing to help us locate the poor people in their country.

This is starting to sound like a pyramid scheme/MLM which are incredibly corrupt and rely on their "presenters" (the people going out finding people to join/invest/whatever) as their main source of income. They usually end up in multiple law suits and going under in a few years from lack of sales, and individuals working within the scheme- 90% are not successful in the slightest but rather end up deficit from what they started with.

I really hope you aren't starting a pyramid scheme taking advantage of people in poverty. And if you are, you need to research the law suits MLM's go under for- and just look at how poorly they end up doing, how quickly they fail, and end up getting sued. You're treading into bankruptcy territory if you go in that direction. 

For now, we just need to build a team and create gofundme accounts in whatever regions you guys are in. In the future, you will get paid to assist us in whatever aspect of this project that you wish. 

Promise of money without contractual agreement aka, everything in writing, and legitimized as legal documents by being signed by a witness, is very dangerous and a stupid move for anyone talking about investing money in something.

No analytics. Where are my investment analytics and marketing details to provide me insight on how your business will even work. Talk numbers. Projections. Show me research. 

And you still haven't even told me what you're presenting. 

This is sounding like a scam, and basically you just want to start multiple gofundme's across different countries. 

But for what purpose? You still haven't made that clear. 

THE GOFUNDME

Seems like you're more passionate about the gofundme than the 'app idea' lol... 

There will be two projects, one charitable and one app.

Okay what are they

Some countries don't allow you to have a charity campaign, so there will only be the app gofundme.

Okay so one project is a charity and one is an app that isn't charity. 

In those, we will discuss both the charity part and the app idea. All you need to do is host it. We will create a gofundme template type of thing and all you will need to do is follow and host it. The images used will be different based on your country,

Why must the images be different? Sounds scammer-y

but we will figure all of this out

Aka you haven't even finalized jack shit, and this is an idea you came up with playing poker last night. Got it. 

and you will be paid for being the face of the campaign.

Why would anyone want to be the face of your campaign. You haven't insighted a desire for this, and some people may not want that in fact most business investors *really don't want that* and it's a very bad business move. It's risky because if it goes under your face and name are forever tainted by that. And going forward from that in business will be very difficult for you. 

You will receive an amount based on how much people in your country donated. This is to be decided. 

So basically you have no money to give anyone, but you'll take a chunk of the gofundme earnings, and determine how much you're willing to let go of to give your "employees"

An indeterminate amount, without contractual agreements. GREAT. 

Right now, we have a team of three. Me, Jim and Peach are in on this project. I have the idea, the planning skills, the will power, the design/propaganda skills,

No you don't lol 

and the time to get this all going.

Yeah because you're all unemployed... sketch. 

Jim has the programming skills to create the app,

Where are the credentials? How do you know he is credible enough not to screw you over? 

and Peach will represent her country and help us out with being the face of the gofundme account hosting our project in her country. 

IF YOU WISH TO BE A PART OF THIS AND MAKE SOME CASH, PLEASE POST WHERE YOU ARE FROM AND LET US KNOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO HELP. 

 Why do you want national support when you haven't even begun developing/finalizing the concrete design for the app or the other mystery charity project yet. 

Where is your plans? You need plans. Plans of how you will develop it in stages, from preliminary to launch, to post launch aka implementation. 

Everything needs to be laid out very elaborately and detailed... you are missing so many moving parts. There is no management here. Where is the foresight? 

 

This is the part of the pitch that should show the conclusion. Where is the conclusion. What happens after the app and charity is made? 

 

You never gave us a why, and the only insight for joining you provided was an indeterminate amount of money that you have made very clear you don't even have yet. 

 

Look, brilliant things have come from just some kids hanging out in their garage, or from gofundme. But you need to be more ontop of this if you really want to pull something off like a global scale project. 

 

The fact that you didn't even insight investors to join, or motivate anyone to join shows that you don't know the first thing about a sales pitch, about commerce and economics- a key key principle of economics which is the creation of

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(cont.) supply and demand. 

 

You created no demand. 

 

How are you a mareting genius without creating the demand or the desire for people to invest in your mystery projects. 

 

Supply and demand is a fundamental aspect of marketing and if you can't even understand this how am I supposed to believe that you are going to insight x amount of dollars out of people all over the globe. 

 

You supplied a shotty half assed explanation of a conceptual idea that barely even made sense, lacked structure and appeal. 

 

Appeal is a secondary important element in the creation of supply and demand, it's really not rocket science I mean. It's literally elementary level stuff here we're talking. 

 

You should be attempting to appeal to one of the three: pathos, logos, ethos. 

Ethos is an appeal to ethics, and it is a means of convincing someone of the character or credibility of the persuader.

Pathos is an appeal to emotion, and is a way of convincing an audience of an argument by creating an emotional response.

Logos is an appeal to logic, and is a way of persuading an audience by reason. 

 

Flapping a wad of cash in front of people doesn't insight courage to join some unknown business venture, and it certainly doesn't make people trust you more. 

 

Which you built none of. By providing absolutely nothing concrete, zero credentials, no blueprints, or data. 

 

Also your half assed explanation needs work. Perhaps insight a literature major to help you write your gofundme script you'll be pumping out all over the planet. Because your grammar and writing skills are not up to par and don't in the slightest sound professional. You can even find authors online who will write one up for you for a small fee. 

 

Would love to see the draft and rip it to shreds for you sometime, just contact me on here in PM. 

last edit on 7/10/2019 10:32:00 PM
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trying is the first step towards failure

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More like GoFuckMe. I just came up with a million dollar idea: A classifieds section on Sociopath Community. Find the perfect person to send creepy and vaguely threatening messages to that bitch at work. She will come running to your arms sobbing.

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