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Autophagy is starvation.

Wait a second, did AI write this? This sounds made up

PalePeach said: 

Wait a second, did AI write this? This sounds made up

 No I think this is his own work

I don’t know, maybe this concept of perfectionism of one’s own health and to be in that state constantly is in itself unhealthy 

just sort of playing devils advocate for a second 

you know like maybe our best possible potential so to speak is only achievable or within grasp for a narrow window of time before it becomes in itself not sustainable…

Optimum health is not one stagnant state of being but rather a moving target… and likely, maybe in theory more cyclical potentially… I don’t know 

like it’s healthy to go through different phases, with our ‘optimum’ only occurring once like a full moon and blue moons and red moons and things like that. Inner alignment, yada yada yada

PalePeach said: 

Autophagy is starvation.

Watch him say he's a Breatharian next. 

PalePeach said: 

Autophagy is starvation.

Ohsumi sensei Sima Sima Matsumi Arigato Kosaimas Manga Naruto seems to disagree:

Ohsumi sensei said:

In an interview for the Tokyo Institute of Technology, Ohsumi said that as research into autophagy has increased, “it’s become clear that (autophagy) is not simply a response to starvation,” but that it contributes to a wide range of functions including “inhibiting cancer cells, aging, eliminating pathogens, and cleaning the inside of cells.”

 More on autophagy on wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autophagy

I think the point is that autophagy is triggered by fasting, or starvation. However, autophagy itself refers to the activity that recycles damaged parts of our cells for energy, which is a crucial process that ensures our body stays healthy. Deficiencies in our ability to induce autophagy are linked with neurodegenerative diseases, among other things. It's not equivalent to starvation.

Blanc said: 

I don’t know, maybe this concept of perfectionism of one’s own health and to be in that state constantly is in itself unhealthy 

just sort of playing devils advocate for a second 

 

you know like maybe our best possible potential so to speak is only achievable or within grasp for a narrow window of time before it becomes in itself not sustainable…

 

Optimum health is not one stagnant state of being but rather a moving target… and likely, maybe in theory more cyclical potentially… I don’t know 

like it’s healthy to go through different phases, with our ‘optimum’ only occurring once like a full moon and blue moons and red moons and things like that. Inner alignment, yada yada yada

I have a counter example to this argument that a diet/regime like this the one I described is unsustainable.

My grandather has been doing fasting since he was 40, when he got fat, and when he lost his pilot license after failing a physical. He bought some book about how you can fast into being healthy, lost weight, and got his pilot license back after helping his friend to set up an acupuncture shop. He's now 93 and he's sharper than most people I know in their 20s and 30s, happy, and exercises daily. Last time I met him, he was asking me about the latest developments in quantum physics and ChatGPT; he's basically like Alice, but a 93-year-old version, and probably smiles more. That's not to say he's sharp because he did fasting. You can't really establish a causal connection. However, the point is that he's been doing fasting for 43 years, so I think it's pretty sustainable.

I did no carbs from ~19 to 27, and then quit (because I thought eating carbs would be healthier and more balanced) and immediately became less healthy. Jordan Peterson, although I don't agree with most of his views, has sustained his meat carnivore diet thing for years now.

I think this is all sustainable, even if not everyone has the motivation to do it. And btw, nothing wrong with people not being as enthusiastic about all of this as I am. I'd even go one step further and say there's nothing wrong eating junk food and frozen pizza every day for breakfast/lunch/dinner. For a severely fat/salt/sugar-addicted person, giving up 3 pizzas and 8 donuts a day may be unsustainable. I think it just depends on where you set the bar, how motivated you are, and how much control over yourself you have.

AppleGenius said: 

PalePeach said: 

Autophagy is starvation.

Ohsumi sensei Sima Sima Matsumi Arigato Kosaimas Manga Naruto seems to disagree:

Ohsumi sensei said:

In an interview for the Tokyo Institute of Technology, Ohsumi said that as research into autophagy has increased, “it’s become clear that (autophagy) is not simply a response to starvation,” but that it contributes to a wide range of functions including “inhibiting cancer cells, aging, eliminating pathogens, and cleaning the inside of cells.”

 More on autophagy on wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autophagy

I think the point is that autophagy is triggered by fasting, or starvation. However, autophagy itself refers to the activity that recycles damaged parts of our cells for energy, which is a crucial process that ensures our body stays healthy. Deficiencies in our ability to induce autophagy are linked with neurodegenerative diseases, among other things. It's not equivalent to starvation.

 tldr- if you starve your body starts digesting itself.

Fr tho, if this works for you that would be cool tho

PalePeach said: 

 tldr- if you starve your body starts digesting itself.

If you don't starve yourself, your body digests itself.

Fr tho, if this works for you that would be cool tho

Yes. I think it works for everyone.