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Psychopathy and its role in human evolution


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When I think about why something is present in human behavior I usually try to relate it to our evolution, as that is my frame of mind.

There is evidence to suggest that psychopathy is a necessary temporary role that must be fulfilled in times of war and conflict. It is evolutionarily advantageous for a military or group to have a few individuals that lack the ability to feel remorse or guilt.  When your goal is to wipe out your enemy, it is especially advantageous to have people willing to rape women and kill children.  Not only does this wipe out their next of kin but it demoralizes the enemy through its severe nature.  If you look at the number of warriors considered to be ruthless murderers, you will find that it coincides with the rate psychopathy tends to propagate in populations.

They will hesitate less. They will show no mercy. They are less likely to get shellshock from the horrors surrounding them.

The interesting question here is what do we do with these disturbed individuals after war ? If they aren't killed they will cause harm in the very civilization that they fought to help.  So, it can be assumed—since the disorder was not selected out of the gene pool—that the benefits in wartime outweigh the drawbacks during peacetime. 

Psychopathy is not just a disorder. It is a tool that we use for the continued success of our civilizations. 

Spatial said:
In the grand scheme if everyone were sadistic, we wouldn't make it where we are today. We'd be a retarded species.
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I don't think that sort of thing can be treated without government involvement and a robust mental health screening program. A lot of people slip through the cracks and are able to buy guns and commit mass shootings, or they commit suicide in their teens, or they get elected to a high-ranking government position and start stealing luggage.

The real conversation may be: "How comfortable are we with a national system for mental screening? How far will we allow prescriptions for people to go based on their results?"

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The fact in the matter is most people by a landslide aren't psychopathic. In times of war that in my opinion will make them ( people with fully functional emotions ) more dangerous because they'll be more passionate about what they're doing.

Soldiers get killed and blown up, see violence and often end up with PTSD. If you want an army of psychopaths, you probably won't find one anywhere in any nation. And if an army of psychopaths can be formed. Good luck keeping it together. 

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Psychopaths are normal people that are petty bullies at most.

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The fact in the matter is most people by a landslide aren't psychopathic. In times of war that in my opinion will make them ( people with fully functional emotions ) more dangerous because they'll be more passionate about what they're doing.

Soldiers get killed and blown up, see violence and often end up with PTSD. If you want an army of psychopaths, you probably won't find one anywhere in any nation. And if an army of psychopaths can be formed. Good luck keeping it together. 

If the American population is 333,287,557, and 1 in every 100 is a psychopath, that's 3,332,876 psychopaths? Kind of shocking, but also most are probably just average people with a psychopathic personality, and they're the local asshole or whatever.

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If the American population is 333,287,557, and 1 in every 100 is a psychopath, that's 3,332,876 psychopaths? Kind of shocking, but also most are probably just average people with a psychopathic personality, and they're the local asshole or whatever.

 Psychopaths do super well. Autists tend to be the local asshole. 

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If the American population is 333,287,557, and 1 in every 100 is a psychopath, that's 3,332,876 psychopaths? Kind of shocking, but also most are probably just average people with a psychopathic personality, and they're the local asshole or whatever.

 Psychopaths do super well. Autists tend to be the local asshole. 

Most Psychopaths are in prison for life, or go in and out of prison for life.

 

 

FOTS said: 

When I think about why something is present in human behavior I usually try to relate it to our evolution, as that is my frame of mind.

There is evidence to suggest that psychopathy is a necessary temporary role that must be fulfilled in times of war and conflict. It is evolutionarily advantageous for a military or group to have a few individuals that lack the ability to feel remorse or guilt.  When your goal is to wipe out your enemy, it is especially advantageous to have people willing to rape women and kill children.  Not only does this wipe out their next of kin but it demoralizes the enemy through its severe nature.  If you look at the number of warriors considered to be ruthless murderers, you will find that it coincides with the rate psychopathy tends to propagate in populations.

They will hesitate less. They will show no mercy. They are less likely to get shellshock from the horrors surrounding them.

The interesting question here is what do we do with these disturbed individuals after war ? If they aren't killed they will cause harm in the very civilization that they fought to help.  So, it can be assumed—since the disorder was not selected out of the gene pool—that the benefits in wartime outweigh the drawbacks during peacetime. 

Psychopathy is not just a disorder. It is a tool that we use for the continued success of our civilizations. 

Spatial said:
In the grand scheme if everyone were sadistic, we wouldn't make it where we are today. We'd be a retarded species.

You can dehumanize your enemy so your soldiers are willing to be cruel af. Perhaps not as much as you describe tho. And they will get shellshock, the normal ones.

I am not sure if Psychopaths are necessary, but they can be beneficial in certain scenarios. However, if there are too many, they are a severe problem instead, to society.

Cheery bye!
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FOTS said: 

When I think about why something is present in human behavior I usually try to relate it to our evolution, as that is my frame of mind.

There is evidence to suggest that psychopathy is a necessary temporary role that must be fulfilled in times of war and conflict. It is evolutionarily advantageous for a military or group to have a few individuals that lack the ability to feel remorse or guilt.  When your goal is to wipe out your enemy, it is especially advantageous to have people willing to rape women and kill children.  Not only does this wipe out their next of kin but it demoralizes the enemy through its severe nature.  If you look at the number of warriors considered to be ruthless murderers, you will find that it coincides with the rate psychopathy tends to propagate in populations.

They will hesitate less. They will show no mercy. They are less likely to get shellshock from the horrors surrounding them.

The interesting question here is what do we do with these disturbed individuals after war ? If they aren't killed they will cause harm in the very civilization that they fought to help.  So, it can be assumed—since the disorder was not selected out of the gene pool—that the benefits in wartime outweigh the drawbacks during peacetime. 

Psychopathy is not just a disorder. It is a tool that we use for the continued success of our civilizations. 

Spatial said:
In the grand scheme if everyone were sadistic, we wouldn't make it where we are today. We'd be a retarded species.

 war can create temporary psychopathy, it's why it's important for leaders to dehumanize the enemy - easier to kill. actual psychopaths can be detrimental in a military unit because they don't do teamwork, are unpredictable and untrustworthy

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There is no temporary psychopathy. 

Maybe psychosis and ptsd.

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Fascinating. Have you ever studied this and what are your sources?

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