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0 votes RE: Sanctioned Suicide, a website worse than Kiwifarms

Not only does Canada have that now, they teach it to young children in school. They call the liquids used to put a human to sleep, Medicine. 

By 18, anyone can be euthanized.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/canadian-childrens-activity-book-indoctrinates-kids-into-euthanasia/

A lady friend of mine, her Aunt went to Sweden to have it done. Then last year the same friend had an uncle that did it.

I'm not a fan, but there comes a point where it's probably better to die if the pain is endlessly excruciating. We do that for pets and call it humain, but not people. 

I don't think it should be taught in schools to young children either.

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I'm okay with assisted suicide if you are literally incapable physically of doing anything you once did, or if you're just old, or some sort of painful condition that makes life living hell like  trigeminal neuralgia


for example, my uncle was an outdoor guy, fishes, cut down trees, mushroom hunting, etc, he got in a car wreck and can barely speak, cant use his legs, and one arm is fucked up, he's bed ridden unable to do a lot by himself, he wants to die but isn't allowed. In that case, I would kill him, as I wouldn't want to live if I was like that either. 

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It's complicated. 

They want the room to relate and "real talk", but some of the advice I've learned from that isn't really healthy knowledge and in some ways it reinforced the problem. 

Isn't that how depression takes from fellow depressed people would be expected to go? We can always sandbag the issue by saying, "OK, these people are out of it, let's control their expression." But if these people are allowed to authentically and genuinely communicate, won't the material be pretty blackpilled by nature?

Would you say the same over the Gangstalking Community? 

I don't think we fix deep issues by cutting off discourse at the surface levels.

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Isn't that how depression takes from fellow depressed people would be expected to go? We can always sandbag the issue by saying, "OK, these people are out of it, let's control their expression." But if these people are allowed to authentically and genuinely communicate, won't the material be pretty blackpilled by nature?

Would you say the same over the Gangstalking Community? 

I don't think we fix deep issues by cutting off discourse at the surface levels.

True, but that ties into "It's Complicated". 😣

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0 votes RE: Sanctioned Suicide, a website worse than Kiwifarms

Don't you feel some conflict as a moderator of this forum, but someone who thinks those other spaces might be not up to your standards?

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Don't you feel some conflict as a moderator of this forum, but someone who thinks those other spaces might be not up to your standards?

If we're comparing, it's moreover the room for more deep end disorders to echochamber off of surprisingly like-minded people that presents a danger, like if a Help group were turned on it's head. With enough diversity in the crowd though you see less problems crop up, such as comparing this phenomenon to forums with a more general Psychology focus. Even as small as the nature of what they often find themselves arguing over can set a tone for how they think overtime. 

With a wide enough range of people it offers enough comparisons to make for more apparent distinction, but with more similarities you see more uniform modeling and a streamlining of language begin to form not unlike that of a cult through their room to further insulate. What might otherwise set them apart is now seen as normal, which works as a double-edged sword in most cases when their life is already a series of triggers. 

The Gangstalk or Suicidal situation is a lot more complicated than general malaise, and aiming to censor it doesn't really fix it either for a myriad of reasons. It'd take introducing something to the environment, positive reinforcement, rather than taking something from them that they already have grown used to. At the end of the day it's a Contagion of Knowledge, but there isn't a clear way to handle it. They would still explore these avenues, and finding likeminded people could snap them out of it, but it is still a form of Streamlining with the room for further growth than they might have had on their own. 

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1 votes RE: Sanctioned Suicide, a website worse than Kiwifarms

Don't you feel some conflict as a moderator of this forum, but someone who thinks those other spaces might be not up to your standards?

If we're comparing, it's moreover the room for more deep end disorders to echochamber off of surprisingly like-minded people that presents a danger, like if a Help group were turned on it's head. With enough diversity in the crowd though you see less problems crop up, such as comparing this phenomenon to forums with a more general Psychology focus. Even as small as the nature of what they often find themselves arguing over can set a tone for how they think overtime. 

With a wide enough range of people it offers enough comparisons to make for more apparent distinction, but with more similarities you see more uniform modeling and a streamlining of language begin to form not unlike that of a cult through their room to further insulate. What might otherwise set them apart is now seen as normal, which works as a double-edged sword in most cases when their life is already a series of triggers. 

The Gangstalk or Suicidal situation is a lot more complicated than general malaise, and aiming to censor it doesn't really fix it either for a myriad of reasons. It'd take introducing something to the environment, positive reinforcement, rather than taking something from them that they already have grown used to. At the end of the day it's a Contagion of Knowledge, but there isn't a clear way to handle it. They would still explore these avenues, and finding likeminded people could snap them out of it, but it is still a form of Streamlining with the room for further growth than they might have had on their own. 

Wow, seems like you care a lot. Hope you put you money where your mouth is and you shake up this problem.

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1 votes RE: Sanctioned Suicide, a website worse than Kiwifarms

Don't you feel some conflict as a moderator of this forum, but someone who thinks those other spaces might be not up to your standards?

If we're comparing, it's moreover the room for more deep end disorders to echochamber off of surprisingly like-minded people that presents a danger, like if a Help group were turned on it's head. With enough diversity in the crowd though you see less problems crop up, such as comparing this phenomenon to forums with a more general Psychology focus. Even as small as the nature of what they often find themselves arguing over can set a tone for how they think overtime. 

With a wide enough range of people it offers enough comparisons to make for more apparent distinction, but with more similarities you see more uniform modeling and a streamlining of language begin to form not unlike that of a cult through their room to further insulate. What might otherwise set them apart is now seen as normal, which works as a double-edged sword in most cases when their life is already a series of triggers. 

The Gangstalk or Suicidal situation is a lot more complicated than general malaise, and aiming to censor it doesn't really fix it either for a myriad of reasons. It'd take introducing something to the environment, positive reinforcement, rather than taking something from them that they already have grown used to. At the end of the day it's a Contagion of Knowledge, but there isn't a clear way to handle it. They would still explore these avenues, and finding likeminded people could snap them out of it, but it is still a form of Streamlining with the room for further growth than they might have had on their own. 

Wow, seems like you care a lot. Hope you put you money where your mouth is and you shake up this problem.

Lol did you even read it? 

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0 votes RE: Sanctioned Suicide, a website worse than Kiwifarms

Here is a video about the site:

 

According to it, they encourage suicide and give you detailed and graphic instructions on how to do it. And they attack people who discourage suicide. And they tell suicidal people that their family, friends, and therapists can't be trusted.

At least 4 minors have killed themselves thanks to the site and I think the video said 40 adults over the span of years. And it has been used by murderers to find and kill victims, after luring them to meet.

The creators of the site have several other toxic sites all for incels(like they said it is directly for incels). And on all of them, they don't allow women, except on the suicide one.

 

Fun stuff. Their philosophy is pathetic.

Cheery bye!
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0 votes RE: Sanctioned Suicide, a website worse than Kiwifarms

Maybe things can get better for people, but at the same time a lot of people are stuck being treated like cattle.

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