Imagine if French Canadians suddenly up and decided that the Battle of the Plains of Abraham was not a tie, as Canadians had decided 400 years ago, and the French started their separatist shit again.
But this time they were backed by some meddlesome, greedy POTUS and his massive war machine.
Canadians would bring the rest of NATO in, especially England, and line them up at the US border and likely treat the Americans the way the Americans treated Ruzzia. In addition to this, at least a third of the Americans themselves would likely riot, and/or leave the US for Canada. It won't be any piddling little 200 000 like the outflow of Russian draft dodgers. I'd wager that if the US ever turned on us, the American protesters would number in the tens of millions.
if in some Canadian city the French-Canadians demand political changes in the country, then it will not even occur to the Anglo-Canadians that you can come to this city to beat them and even kill them. French Canadians won't have to ask France for help. because Canadians are a civilized people, not Ukrainian animals. I'm sure that even if French-Canadians on some Canadian peninsula demanded to join France, it would not occur to the Anglo-Canadians to create volunteer battalions swarming with neo-Nazis to kill separatists. the Canadian authorities would do their best to solve the problem in a civilized way.
Ukrainians relate to pro-Russian activists, like Ku-Klux Clan to the nigers. Their opinion and life mean nothing to them.
they came to power as a result of a bloody riot in the capital and seized all power in the country. when pro-Russian activists seized their cities of Donetsk and Luhansk, instead of civilized negotiations, Kyev sent an army and volunteer battalions swarming with neo-Nazis.
people in odessa demanded federalization of the country to solve the problem with the rebellious east of ukraine, but the ukrainians gathered 2,000 animals to disperse, beat, kill and intimidate them.
Are you a pro-Russian woman who decided to hide in the house of trade unions in Odessa?! let me strangle you with a phone cable! Are you a pro-federalists and fell from the third floor of the burning house of trade unions in Odessa?! let me break your head with a stick. I will do it with pleasure, because I am a civilized European and the United States supports us. :)
Moskalyaku na gilyaku! ("let's hang a Russian!!"). glory to Ukraine! Death to the enemies!
Look at what happened when Putin interfered with the 2016 US election and installed his Pumpkin headed puppet in the Whitehouse. This is what he's been doing in numerous former Soviet states. Except his strategy doesn't work in capitalist democracies. Putin has built himself an autocratic kleptocracy inside Ruzzia. Big difference. Huge. There aren't enough racist, homophobic, pigheaded, woman beating thugs who are afraid for their lives to allow all of America to go down that path. And the key to undoing the fabric of a nation is crippling poverty. There is a little of that in the US. But nowhere near what there was in Chechnya, or Russia. That's why the puppet Kadyrov was able to rule his gaggle so well. But a rather large percentage of Chechens despise what Putin has done to their country. Enough of them hate Kadyrov that I'd wager that they will overthrow him in less than 10 years.
Yanukovych was set up to be Kadyrov's equivalent in Ukraine.
That's why the Ukrainians protested at Maidan. Yanukovych had campaigned on a promise to apply for EU and NATO membership for Ukraine. He renegg'd on that promise when Pooptin started whispering promises in his ear. The Ukrainians chased him out for that. They also chased him out on a different occasion for rigging an election.
Ppl like Tony lol at the people who were crying in the streets when Pumpkinhead bribed the American electoral college officials to steal Hilary's win from her. They have no clue (or maybe they just don't care) that those women were crying bc they were looking ahead at the totalitarian nightmare that the country could become with somebody like that at the helm. A president who is besties with Pooptin and Kim Jong Un... smh. I'm amazed Pumpkinhead still had supporters after that.
Thank the Gods of Free Will and Checks and Balances for protecting us from potentially being taken over by yet another petty tyrant. In that respect, the US system of government has no equal. It would not hurt us to have a bit more of that in our system.
Anyhoo... my point is that the discussion in Chaotik's vid was about Yanukovych and the regional Ukrainian politicians who would either back him or undermine him. Gotta love how the person who leaked the convo left no context, leaving the audience free to do a whole lot of projecting.
All that aside, it looks to me like the Americans were trying to help this situation not get ugly.
I mean, what is your deal? First you say "nobody gave a shit about Ukraine in 2014," and then you complain about the people who look to me like they were trying to prevent the situation from exploding.
Make up my mind :P
comparing Yanukovych with Kadyrov is not appropriate. absolutely. nothing would have happened if they had not simply chosen another president in the next election. they simply did not wait for his presidential term to end. unlike Zelensky, Yanukovych did not ban opposition TV channels. his competitors could freely agitate the people, unlike Chechnya.
President Yanukovych refused European integration, because Putin threatened to raise customs duties if this agreement was signed. this would have hit Ukrainian economy hard. Moreover, ukrainian agricultural producers had subsidies from the budget ten times lower than their counterparts from Europe, for whom the consumer market of Ukraine would open 100%. As a result, Ukrainian producer became uncompetitive in its own market.
besides, the loan on the terms of the IMF was not profitable. The IMF demanded to raise the price of gas for the population by 50%, not to raise wages, which could reduce pensions and other social benefits. credit on Putin's terms was more profitable and he promised a substantial discount on gas.
lol you sponsored the second election of Yeltsin in 1996, which ruined the Russian economy and ruined the country's law enforcement agencies, which began the flowering of oligarchs and banditry in Russia. compared to campaigning for trump on fucking Facebook, this is an insignificant trifle. :)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/06/26/russian-election-interference-meddling/
it was you who sponsored Yeltsin, who left Putin as his successor. you are also involved in Putin's rise to power, and hence the war in Ukraine. :)
