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If a comment or question does not meet up to my new standards of responding to comments or questions on this forum if I even continue posting on here at all,  then I am probably going to not respond to it  (I no longer desire to engage in verbally abusive arguments)

https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/what-is-verbal-abuse#namecalling

What’s the difference between verbal abuse and a ‘normal’ argument?

We all get into arguments from time to time. Sometimes we lose our cool and yell. It’s all part of being human. But verbal abuse isn’t normal.

The trouble is, when you’re involved in a verbally abusive relationship, it can wear you down and seem normal to you.

Here are some examples of what normal disagreements look like:

They don’t dissolve into name-calling or personal attacks.

They don’t happen every day.

Arguments revolve around a basic issue. They aren’t character assassinations.

You listen and try to understand the other’s position, even when you’re angry.

One of you may yell or say something truly awful out of frustration, but it’s an unusual occurrence and you work through it together.

Even if you can’t agree completely, you’re able to compromise or move on without punishments or threats.

Arguments aren’t a zero-sum game: One person won’t win at the detriment of the other.

 

Consider it a red flag when the other person engages in these behaviors:

They insult or attempt to humiliate you. Then they accuse you of being overly sensitive or say that it was a joke and you have no sense of humor.

They frequently yell or scream at you.

Arguments take you by surprise, but you get blamed for starting them.

The initial disagreement sets off a string of accusations and dredging up of unrelated issues to put you on the defense.

They try to make you feel guilty and position themselves as the victim.

They save their hurtful behaviors for when you’re alone but act completely different when others are around.

They get into your personal space or block you from moving away.

They hit the wall, pound their fists, or throw things.

They want credit for not having hit you.

 

1. Name-calling

Whether it’s a romantic relationship, a parent-child relationship, or the bully on the playground, name-calling is unhealthy. Sometimes obvious, sometimes disguised as “pet names” or “teasing,” habitual name-calling is a method of belittling you.

For example:

“You don’t get it, sweetie, because you’re just too dumb.”
“It’s no wonder everyone says you’re a jerk.”

4. Degradation

Abusers want you to feel bad about yourself. They employ humiliation and shame to degrade you and eat away at your confidence.

For example:

“Before I came along you were nothing. Without me you’ll be nothing again.”
“I mean, look at yourself. Who else would want you?”

5. Manipulation

Manipulation is an attempt to make you do something without making it a direct order. Make no mistake about it: It’s meant to control you and keep you off-balance.

For example:

“If you do that, it proves you don’t care about your family and everyone will know it.”
“You’d do this for me if you really loved me.”

6. Blame

We’re all at fault for something once in a while. But a verbally abusive person blames you for their behavior. They want you to believe that you bring verbal abuse on yourself.

For example:

“I hate getting into fights, but you make me so mad!”
“I have to yell, because you’re so unreasonable and thickheaded!”

7. Accusations
If someone is repeatedly accusing you of things, they may be jealous or envious. Or perhaps they’re the one guilty of that behavior. Either way, it can make you question whether you’re doing something inappropriate.

For example:

“I saw the way you looked at them. You can’t tell me there’s nothing going on there.”
“Why won’t you give me your cell phone if you’ve got nothing to hide?”

8. Withholding or isolation

Refusing to talk to you, look you in the eye, or even be in the same room with you is meant to make you work harder to get their attention.

For example:

At a friend’s house, you say or do something they don’t like. Without a word, they storm out and sit in the car, leaving you to explain and say goodbye to your hosts.
They know you need to communicate about who’s picking up the kids, but they refuse to answer your calls or texts.

9. Gaslighting

Gaslighting is a systematic effort to make you question your own version of events. It can make you apologize for things that aren’t your fault. It can also make you more dependent on the abuser.

For example:

You recall an event, agreement, or argument and the abuser denies that it happened at all. They may tell you it’s all in your mind, you dreamed it, or are making it up.
They tell other people that you’re forgetful or have emotional problems to solidify the illusion.

10. Circular arguments

It isn’t unusual for two people to disagree or argue about the same thing more than once until they find common ground. But abusers will reignite that old argument again and again just to push your buttons, never intending to meet in the middle.

For example:

Your job requires you to put in overtime without notice. Every time it happens, the argument about your tardiness starts anew.
You’ve made it clear that you’re not ready for kids, but your partner brings it up every month.

11. Threats

Outright threats can mean that verbal abuse will escalate. They’re meant to frighten you into compliance.

For example:

“When you come home tonight, you might find a ‘for sale’ sign on the lawn, and I might just be gone with the kids.”
“If you do that, no one would blame me for how I’d react.”

Chaos is the freedom for any entity to do whatever it wants (is permitted to do, influenced to do). If you are chaotic, you naturally support ideals of negative, positive, or anything that is shaded gray, which is what chaos is. Chaos allows, but does not judge. Chaos allows the innocent to be slaughtered, and the dammed to be free. The fortunate to be rich, and the poor to be aided.

You do not support the idea of chaos.

What to do

If you think you’re experiencing verbal abuse, trust your instincts. Keep in mind there’s a chance it will eventually escalate. Now that you recognize it, you have to decide how you’re going to do something about it.

There’s no single answer for what to do. A lot depends on your individual circumstances.

Reasoning with an abuser is tempting, but unlikely to work. Remember, you’re not responsible for someone else’s behavior.

But you can set boundaries. Start refusing to engage in unreasonable arguments. Let them know you’ll no longer respond to or overlook verbal abuse.

Limit your exposure to the abuser as much as possible. If you travel in the same social circles, you might have to make some difficult decisions. If you can’t avoid the person altogether, try to keep it down to situations where there are other people around.

Then, when you’re ready, cut all ties if you can. Breaking things off with your abuser can be complicated in some situations, like if you live with them, have children together, or are dependent on them in some way.

You may find it helpful to speak with a counselor or join a support group. Sometimes an outsider’s perspective can help you see things in a new light and figure out what to do next.

Outlook

Healing takes time, but it’s important not to isolate yourself. Reach out to supportive friends and family members. If you’re in school, talk to a teacher or guidance counselor. If you think it will help, find a therapist who can help you in your recovery.

If you need guidance on how to separate from your abuser or if you fear escalation, here are a few resources that will provide support:

Break the Cycle: Supporting young people ages 12 to 24 to build healthy relationships and create an abuse-free culture.

DomesticShelters.org: Educational information, hotline, and searchable database of programs and services near you.

Love Is Respect (National Dating Abuse Hotline): Offers young people a chance to chat online, call, or text with advocates.

National Domestic Abuse Hotline (800-799-7233): 24/7 hotline with access to service providers and shelters across the United States.

 

I support non verbally abusive conversations,  chaos can do whatever she wants to do

queenofchaos said: 

I support non verbally abusive conversations,  chaos can do whatever she wants to do

 Sure, make a counterpoint. Anything really. Otherwise this site is just your personal repost board.

PS: in your own words please

queenofchaos said: 

I support non verbally abusive conversations,  chaos can do whatever she wants to do

 

 

 its obvious chaos was just an excuse to be an ass

cx3 said: 

Chaos is the freedom for any entity to do whatever it wants (is permitted to do, influenced to do). If you are chaotic, you naturally support ideals of negative, positive, or anything that is shaded gray, which is what chaos is. Chaos allows, but does not judge. Chaos allows the innocent to be slaughtered, and the dammed to be free. The fortunate to be rich, and the poor to be aided.

You do not support the idea of chaos.

This seems more like her owning up to being out of control, associating control and chaos as opposite concepts, then applying that word to herself to try to rebrand a flaw as power. 

It'd be like me calling myself a Time Lord over how much free time I have through both insomnia and living on SSI. 

Turncoat said: 

cx3 said: 

Chaos is the freedom for any entity to do whatever it wants (is permitted to do, influenced to do). If you are chaotic, you naturally support ideals of negative, positive, or anything that is shaded gray, which is what chaos is. Chaos allows, but does not judge. Chaos allows the innocent to be slaughtered, and the dammed to be free. The fortunate to be rich, and the poor to be aided.

You do not support the idea of chaos.

This seems more like her owning up to being out of control, associating control and chaos as opposite concepts, then applying that word to herself to try to rebrand a flaw as power. 

It'd be like me calling myself a Time Lord over how much free time I have through both insomnia and living on SSI. 

 From what she's posted in the past highlighting themes of controlling positive attributes and limiting negative ones, chaos is the antithesis of her outward speech, I agree. Control seems to be something deeply desired over all aspects of how the forum precieves her though.

I think she wants to be near perfect in the eyes of the few. This forum is a place where she can be moral, just, and decisive all in one place. Attributes she lacks in the real world to be displayed here in their incompleteness. Rather to be never displayed at all.

I argue here that to be chaotic is to be both evil and moral. Chaos is a strength, but she displays it as weakness. This weakness is not present.

cx3 said: 

Turncoat said: 

cx3 said: 

Chaos is the freedom for any entity to do whatever it wants (is permitted to do, influenced to do). If you are chaotic, you naturally support ideals of negative, positive, or anything that is shaded gray, which is what chaos is. Chaos allows, but does not judge. Chaos allows the innocent to be slaughtered, and the dammed to be free. The fortunate to be rich, and the poor to be aided.

You do not support the idea of chaos.

This seems more like her owning up to being out of control, associating control and chaos as opposite concepts, then applying that word to herself to try to rebrand a flaw as power. 

It'd be like me calling myself a Time Lord over how much free time I have through both insomnia and living on SSI. 

From what she's posted in the past highlighting themes of controlling positive attributes and limiting negative ones, chaos is the antithesis of her outward speech, I agree. Control seems to be something deeply desired over all aspects of how the forum precieves her though.

I think she wants to be near perfect in the eyes of the few.

It's more solipsist than that. 

She wants to view herself as a master of [positive concept of the week], and sees anyone else who disagrees or corrects her as just trying to bring her down. She is not trying to impress other people so much as impress herself without distractions, at most seeking an enabler to help bolster her self-confidence rather than people who'd aim to contradict her enough to pull her back to the sad reality. Some of her favorite topics in the past have been ones where no one even replied to her. 

People aren't fully detailed to her perceptions unless they are completely disconnected from her, overall they are moreso gauged by what affect they have on her. There is a surprising lack of context to her beliefs, more often than not kept alive through sheer reinforcement of it's surface level words in the form of mantras. She otherwise projects and externalizes a surprising amount of things to avoid having to internalize blame, or even as her way of trying to reach out towards and relate to others here on the forum as she presents advice that often doesn't apply to their situation so much as her own. 

I argue here that to be chaotic is to be both evil and moral. Chaos is a strength, but she displays it as weakness. This weakness is not present.

I tend to ascribe to the Good vs Evil/Law vs Chaos spectrum in that Good vs Evil is entirely independent of Law vs Chaos.