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Everyone started off an intrinsically kind and good natured baby

I believe that since everyone started off a baby with no history of doing any cruel action to anyone,  everyone is therefore naturally intrinsically innocent and good. Badness only comes into society through books which leave us with impressions of what is right and wrong behaviour  (or an upbringing where the parents are psychologically and verbally abusive to the child,  but yeah the first human babies in existence would have been intrinsically good,  but then somewhere along the line  (and later on in age)  whether it was the original humans in existence or a future generation,  people started deviating from their perfect goodness to each other)  https://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/atheist-hub/everyone-started-intrinsically-kind-good-natured-baby  <--  part of this is her writing and part of it is my adding onto it,  and I am not an atheist because I believe in an unconditionally loving and unconditionally forgiving God  (not the judaic or christian versions of god which are very very violent),  but yeah this is essentially what I believe about human beings presently

 

I do not anymore believe that human beings have both a "good side" and a "bad side",  I believe that all human beings are intrinsically perfectly good and lovable but that we have somehow evolved to sometimes do bad  (as in damaging to relationships, animals, and the environment and so on)  behaviors to ourselves and each other

 

this is just an update on my present spiritual beliefs,  and please keep in mind that it is really not your place to try to tell other people what to believe spiritually-  that is a freewill thing and it is pretty personal and it is essentially rude behavior to try to tell someone what their spiritual beliefs "should " be,  but you can share your own spiritual beliefs if you'd like to but that does not mean that I am going to change my spiritual beliefs just because you have different spiritual beliefs than my own

 

 

last edit on 10/26/2022 5:08:42 AM
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OMG you're evolving into pure energy. Emily don't leave us, quick ! What is the secret ??????!!!!! EMILY !!!!!!

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and to add some more information about my evolving spiritual beliefs-  I knew in the past that other people believed that everyone was intrinsically perfectly good and that only some behaviors were bad,  but I was not able to fully commit to it until I became spiritually awake enough to see and understand that it was true  my heart chakra opened or something shifted in my spiritual awareness but I can understand and see it in myself and everyone else now

 

 

last edit on 10/26/2022 5:09:19 AM
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Hawk said: 

OMG you're evolving into pure energy. Emily don't leave us, quick ! What is the secret ??????!!!!! EMILY !!!!!!

 

lol love yourselves,  and I do not mean in a prideful narcissistic way-  I mean like unconditionally love yourselves and forgive yourself after you have stopped doing bad behaviors because there is no use holding onto shame and guilt about those past bad behaviors if you have actually learned the "karmic" or otherwise lessons on why not to do those bad behaviors  that is pretty much it soo far  and be forgiving of other people too the best that you can

 

 

last edit on 10/26/2022 5:09:39 AM
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Everyone started off an intrinsically kind and good natured baby

Even as a baby freshly born I was giving suspicious looks at people, and not too far after tried to trick my folks into thinking I had a cough for attention (would literally laugh at them and stop coughing when they'd enter the room). As I got older I liked pressing noisemaker toys to watch how they'd react to it more than enjoying the sound itself, to press their buttons, and drew comics about a dog torturing a bee from the perspective of the dog. 

Not all babies are kind and good. 

I believe that since everyone started off a baby with no history of doing any cruel action to anyone,  everyone is therefore naturally intrinsically innocent and good.

Innocent I'll give you, as that's more like naive. While children can do terrible things it tends to come from not being at a stage of mental development that can sympathize with people, hence why there's so many programs teaching kids to share and be kind to eachother. 

The goodness is conditioned, even older media recognized that the grandest cruelty is capable in the hands of a powerful child. To not be selfish is more of an aberration, less natural and more likely to be a byproduct of society and it's laws, while cruelty and sadism comes naturally and without much provocation. I would argue society teaches us to be lawful, and through those laws it becomes more practical to be kind as an adaptation. 

Badness only comes into society through books which leave us with impressions of what is right and wrong behaviour 

So your solution is what, that we should burn all the books?

I tend to think people's capacity for evil is not linked to what is learned, but moreso our capacity for intelligence. We can even see this in animals outside of the human race, like mice and dolphins for example, where the smarter they become the more they show an inherent capacity for cruelty and cunning (and gang rape apparently). 

Culture does not shape cruelty vs niceness so much as give their existing person context to assign it to. In a different setting they'd be a very similar person with different reasons for how they got there, as we cannot escape our Nature beyond flooding it with Nurture. 

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last edit on 10/26/2022 9:52:02 AM
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Everyone started off an intrinsically kind and good natured baby

Even as a baby freshly born I was giving suspicious looks at people, and not too far after tried to trick my folks into thinking I had a cough for attention (would literally laugh at them and stop coughing when they'd enter the room). As I got older I liked pressing noisemaker toys to watch how they'd react to it more than enjoying the sound itself, to press their buttons, and drew comics about a dog torturing a bee from the perspective of the dog. 

Not all babies are kind and good. 

I believe that since everyone started off a baby with no history of doing any cruel action to anyone,  everyone is therefore naturally intrinsically innocent and good.

Innocent I'll give you, as that's more like naive. While children can do terrible things it tends to come from not being at a stage of mental development that can sympathize with people, hence why there's so many programs teaching kids to share and be kind to eachother. 

The goodness is conditioned, even older media recognized that the grandest cruelty is capable in the hands of a powerful child. To not be selfish is more of an aberration, less natural and more likely to be a byproduct of society and it's laws, while cruelty and sadism comes naturally and without much provocation. I would argue society teaches us to be lawful, and through those laws it becomes more practical to be kind as an adaptation. 

Badness only comes into society through books which leave us with impressions of what is right and wrong behaviour 

So your solution is what, that we should burn all the books?

I tend to think people's capacity for evil is not linked to what is learned, but moreso our capacity for intelligence. We can even see this in animals outside of the human race, like mice and dolphins for example, where the smarter they become the more they show an inherent capacity for cruelty and cunning (and gang rape apparently). 

Culture does not shape cruelty vs niceness so much as give their existing person context to assign it to. In a different setting they'd be a very similar person with different reasons for how they got there, as we cannot escape our Nature beyond flooding it with Nurture. 

 

I do not believe you,  if you were truly a baby when you did that stuff you would not remember it  you probably mean like a toddler,  no I am talking about actual babies there is a difference,  and I disagree with the rest of what you said  :)

 

No,  my solution is not to burn the books it is to evolve away from behaving cruelly towards each other

 

 

last edit on 10/26/2022 2:02:55 PM
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babies do not cause purposeful intentional harm to anyone,  they just do not  they are innocent as far as causing intentional harm to other people

 

 

last edit on 10/26/2022 2:30:30 PM
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I do not believe you,  if you were truly a baby when you did that stuff you would not remember it  you probably mean like a toddler

Right out of the womb my folks and grandfolks both noted that I was giving side eye and looking sharp and judgey, and as for the rest I have their stories and the old drawings of "Dog and the Bee". Until being humbled at school later in life I was also quite selfish pre-Kindergarten, thinking the world revolved around me, that everything I wanted was rightfully mine and that I was in charge, but again I was still little and didn't know any better. 

I apparently didn't cry much either, I was a weird baby and toddler. 

and I disagree with the rest of what you said :)

Why do we literally have media to teach children to share and all that then, and why is that such a heavy-handed element in pre-schools and daycare if it's otherwise natural?

Children at their core are selfish from having less room to relate to other people, while it's with age that we start to really sympathize. 

No,  my solution is not to burn the books it is to evolve away from behaving cruelly towards each other

But you said books are doing this to us, shouldn't we address the books? 

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last edit on 10/26/2022 5:03:20 PM
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