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Until I find something better to talk about I guess I have this to talk about. 

This quitting lexapro journey has gotten difficult, if you’ve read my last two threads then you know what I mean. Basically around the 6 month mark shit started getting real. 

I mean that in sort of a literal sense, like. I almost felt as though I was maintaining a false life, a life that wasn’t authentic. Remaining in a reactionary state, due to the way my brain processed traumatic things. 

 

The medication was great for helping me in a time of crisis, when my brain was doing a lot of kung fu and back flips, basically in a very over excitatory state responding to the traumatic stuff. It’s wild, how little, can cause such a cascade, of big big problems. And the longer you don’t address them the bigger they get. However, the notion that the bigger the problem or the more complex, the longer it takes to solve or to become comfortable or functional, is a false notion. 

It is possible for even the most traumatized people to find healing. The reality is a bit harsh. I had to set aside my personal goals, for my own well being. 

I was in a state of what modern common trauma models have labeled freeze, fawn, and there are three other states I’ll share here let me grab them. 

The mediation helped my brain stop doing so much of that, because it was over drive, and harming me, mentally. But after enough time, I focused on my recovery, I poured in whatever good I could find, without doing any real soul searching, I barely scratched the surface of it… 

 

I stayed in this place for a long time. Some may stay here their entire lives. It’s very difficult to stoop any lower. Remove the facade. Take away the comfortable blanket of medication. 

But I am a true grit kind of person, so this is a modality that works for me. For some, this might not be the right thing to do, for them. Everyone finds their own way to achieving a healthier mental state. Ok. That’s the truth. 

Doing this is dangerous. But this is just how I’ve always been and done things. 

For the longest time, I felt like I wasn’t really dealing with things. Because there was no point, as it couldn’t possibly get any better from me doing so. It is only more destabilizing, and what to be gained from it. I saw no hope for improvement past where I had already gotten. I was willing to remain comfortable in that place where I had gotten for a long time. 

Maintaining a surface level, maintaining a detached life, detached and hollow. Medication can assist you in doing this happily, and for some, this may be necessary, in order to find their path to healing. Whatever weight they have to bare, it is too much, too toxic, to allow them to survive it. I understand that. I’ve been there. 

But eventually, the medication felt like more of a hindrance. It made me tired, it made staying fit more difficult. But the anxiety attacks I was having, trust me, you’d take a pill too if it made them stop. 

But I had all these lingering unaddressed things, that I feel like, if I couldn’t really feel them, I would never be able to bring them to light, sort it out, and work through it using a therapy approach. 

How can you solve a problem you can’t even see? It’s like yeah, I used to be depressed, now I’m so medicated, I don’t notice it. I know it’s a huge problem, but I can’t talk about what I think or feel, what made me sick, what apprehended me, what got me into this mess etc. because I don’t have any thoughts like that anymore and I can hardly remember what they were and they don’t feel significant to me. 

 

and yet I felt something still lingering. The inkling was just a faint whisper. I knew I had to experience it and go through it in order to really be free to really get off the medication, for good, etc. 

 

I wanted to try recovery stage II. recovery stage I was good because it kept me alive, and I became no longer fully suicidal, no longer had ideation. Finding a will to live is important. All the time I spent on my recovery and connecting with people in recovery was life changing and extremely important. But it wasn’t all of it, and I knew that, and everyone in recovery who I spoke to, knew that. I needed a kind of help that was beyond recovery or recovery was one component of my healing. But I needed more. That was evident. 

Because my progress was great, but not great enough. An internal progress. And an effort at external, though very little, to be honest. Leaps and bounds in some areas- other areas, total relapse, 10 steps backwards. Some areas marked improvement, other areas, stagnation. 

 

I thought who can possibly help me. Now, at this point where I’m at, with my issues so seemingly complex and over bearing, and time consuming. Many can relate to this. The mental health community may have let them down and left them jaded. It can be overwhelming. Who possibly has the time to spend, helping someone like me of all people. Who has the money for that. The quality of care I require, the length of it, the cost is ungodly. 

I was catastrophizing and overthinking my own recovery, yeah. This is what happens when you stop taking your meds. 

I have fallen into a trap of overthinking everything, to a point it came to a really dark place, with seemingly no way out. 

But the truth is, you have to alleviate the burden of that overthinking in order to find success with your recovery aka being able to engage with it in a way that’s helping you. So no longer being burdened with the negative aspects of your overthinking is extremely important to your health. All of this is practical and reasonable, but how do you make it stop. 

Mine got to a point, I really was thinking about taking my own life it got so dark. Anxiety began to increase. I started to become fragile, broken down, in a state that was no longer resilient to basic stress, or able to function. 

But once I found a way to liberate myself from my own overthinking, I felt a sense of control again and I knew recovery would be an option for me again and would be theoretically a chance, or possible. 

I’ve had to identify what works for me and what doesn’t, and take that really seriously. I’ve had to not ignore but pay attention to all my thoughts and feelings, and try to understand why I have them, and then rationally find a better way to think- a better way to approach whatever it is that’s negative. Simple solutions. Lead to solving the bigger problems that once seemed unsolvable- with ease. 

You think, you don’t have all the tools, there’s no way. You’re too far behind now, you’re too damaged, too much has gone wrong and now you’ve missed the window to fix things. But no that’s not true. 

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Because I was in a dark place of distress, I Decided to read about things. Get as much free psychology as I could. Free therapy. Free tips. Buying myself time until I got in front of a professional, that could help me. 

i was feeling hopeless. Didn’t want to continue life being medicated. But couldn’t continue life the way I was currently either. It was painful, and causing a lot of dysfunction for myself and others. But mainly just sort of a never ending cycle of increasing agony. 

In trying to get real, I went too far into that territory. And convincined myself of a mind set that was unhealthy. Black pilled. So I had to reel it back. Find a balance. For my own sanity. 

Giving hippie dippie bull shit, and other truth, a chance. Despite all the Mumbo jumbo in my head. This won’t work. That isn’t scientific. Evidence says only 62% recover. The odds of a good enough psychiatrist are slim. No one understands. 

But I listened to the stuff people had to say, whatever advice anywhere I could get. I tried my best to take it. Meanwhile the increasing cycle of overthinking and agony was actually getting worse. 

And as I started to take into account or balance my negativity, with things like radical self compassion. And decidedly, prioritizing my mental health over other concerns in life- all of it finally stopped. 

And everything I was so stressed about became clear and easy. Everything I found so depressing wasn’t depressing anymore. 

 

I had to get real, I had to go through immense pain. Intense discomfort. In order to come to this place. But it is better than enduring the discomfort of living surface level, and enduring the mental conditions you’re set up for in your current state, that will keep you sick, unwell, and maybe you’ll be “ok” but, maybe you’ll always feel this pressure of something to stuff down, a stress you constantly try to cope with and ignore, a trauma or a neurosis you can’t seem to shake, questions that you left unanswered and gave up trying to find answers for. 

I didn’t want to live within those mental parameters I had been in anymore. And it got to a point I was so fed up with it, I was willing to go through the deepest parts of my own pain and sort my personal qualms, rather than continuing to ignore them. 

Every hour of my life was dissatisfactory, and I couldn’t enjoy it. I felt like I was living in some rung of hell, or an episode of lost. It feels like an eternal punishment or being lost. 

I didn’t want to resign myself to that indefinitely… so I sought out a way. Even though I really felt like there was no way out, and it was not possible. 

Your projections of no way out, are on everything around you, but the real way out you need to find is internal. 

Becauze once you are free from that suffering. I don’t know, I feel like I can enjoy life again. I’m not overthinking anymore. I feel a hope, and I feel okay with myself. 

Im only just beginning. But I believe that with some practice, it may Be possible for me to recover without medication. 

Like I said. For some, it really may not be. You need to do what you need to do for you. If this is making your life better, if this is helping you. There is nothing wrong with medication, yes even SSRI, and I do believe they are viable and acceptable. People like to demonize it. 

You have a right not to fucking suffer. 

 

But after having sort of a transcendental experience with my own self that was very intensely spiritual, it’s sort of amazing but it helped give me what I needed to continue forward and doing what is necessary for my health and wellness and to have a little faith in what I’m doing. A little hope. Etc. 

But at the end of the day it comes from not just a decided, willingness, to change. But almost sort of a forced, necessary, point of. Something has to be done different. 

There are cold hard facts of life, but there are also spiritual truths, which are valid, and serve a purpose to us “human” beings and is a necessary part of our own survival. And I sort of ignored this aspect, I can be a little to science based. 

It didn’t make sense at the time, but I understand now why, I was so drawn to people who were these intently spiritual people or had a spiritual lightness about them that my spirit perceived. Is because I was spiritual darkened and sick, in a way, and I needed that guiding light I needed that balance to myself that was something I was missing, and was going to be crucial to my own internal, spiritual freedom. 

Does that insinuate that mental illness is a spiritual battle…? Yes and no. I think to not address the spirtual aspect of a human being that is spiritual or once was- is naive. You can’t heal a whole person with only medicine because we are not just medicine. You cannot heal a whole person with only philosophy, logic, or intellect, and science- because we are not only these things. And life is not only these things. It is too one sided. 

So finding a bit of balance, actually is a more efficient way to sort of de-escalate a seemingly massive or complex problem or weight. 

And this is likely a phenomenon of physics or engineering or something, I just have a feeling it likely aligns. It’s sort of interesting watching it all come together. My understanding of it is crude. But I’m watching it all align, I find a great awareness of sort of a spiritual serenity in all of it, and that allows me to validate the existence of my very soul, and validates tending to its needs. 

I find evidence for myself (a soul) in the way reality aligns itself in such an attune way. You realize you are part of a vast and powerfully dynamic system that is undeniable. 

So yeah, I’m sort of coming at this from all angles doing what I can. But approaching my lostness, my confused, my brokenness, my overwhelmed, with intense compassion is enlightening and alleviating. 

I think that everything you go through is part of completeling a whole, in distinct phases. So what your needs were at one time may of been to be extremely rigid. That worked for you for your survival at one time. But this rigidity with no balance back fired for me, and so I’ve had to take on a new approach, balancing it now with an openness to spiritual compassion. 

I think approaching a problem and solving it this way, with balance, is likely a more effective approach. 

To each their own, and I mean that seriously. This is just what it working for me at this time so it’s what I’m doing. But whatever works for you, fucking do it. 

Because I believe we know what we need, better than we even know, even in the most fucked up states, we still know. 

It makes me sad to say that. It is sad that people, that anything can, go to such a fucked up hell. 

that’s another topic. Apart from the overthinking, I also struggled with over feeling. I don’t know why. 

But it’s very strange all my emotions were gone at one point and I was numb and experiencing severe identity detachment and not recognizing myself in the mirror and couldn’t remember things. I mean it was wild. 

I serioisly didn’t notice my feelings. I was a hardened shell. I didn’t notice other peoples feelings too too much ether. It’s not say I didn’t at all. But it’s like it was the way a mostly deaf person might hear. Everything was so muddled, and unclear, like a thick fogged glsss was over it. A nice glaze to seal it all out. All the pain, all the suffering. 

I wasn’t ready to see it or feel it, I was protecting myself from it because to feel it… obviously would be too much, for a lot of reasons. 

But then, some spiritual gentle but dark entity came into my life and I invited more and more things into my life subconsciously not realizing I was barreling myself toward a cascade of radical spiritual change, whether I liked it or not. My body knew what it needed to heal my spirit knew and drove itself there. 

I cracked open my feeling, I recovered sensation, empathy, emotion, the full range… the good the bad the ugly the in between. I recovered memory. I floundered with connection, attachment, and combatting negative self defeating patterns and behaviors with more positive ones. 

I even reconnected with parts of my old self I had forgotten existed, and felt that shit too. I set the stage to let it all come to life again. All my missing parts and pieces were all right in front of me now. 

And I had no idea how to put it all back together, and make it a functioning, healthy normal human being. 

All that function is, is balance. 

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So I noticed when I catered to my needs, and not just the surface level ones, I mean all of them. 

And catering to allowing balance back into my life to combat my own rigidity etc. i was able to scale back on things like intense stress, excessive emotion and empathy, snd overthinking/negativity and even suicidal thoughts. 

 

and a result, could enjoy my life, and no longer feel diminished by it, in anyway. No longer felt guilty, or suffering. And had a stillness and hope for the future again, despite that previously seeming impossible, and despite being told I needed medication to achieve that. 

I am still considering medication, not tabling it entirely. Will see how this goes. I am quite literally experimenting on myself. It’s incredibly dangerous. And what works for one, may not work for another. I can’t stress that enough. We all have vastly different makeups, that are all equally valuable and unique. 

Bekisve it or not this makeup of what you are who you are foundationally, is here to serve you, to be there for you, to heal you, and what you are, is enough to achieve the healing you want to experience. 

It’s okay if you’re not sure and not familiar with oneself and it’s makeup, but it is truly here to for you and to take care of you in an odd way. It’s crazy but like, really, who can take care of you better than you. It’s intrinsic, and this aspect to ourselves is intuitive and self automating. 

 

Next I will talk about the areas highlighted by my psychiatrist to work on. This is a vague outline, but I believe as I go through the details of the chapters I will Find what I need and implement it into my balance to make a recovery. As things come up they come up. If I have to add something I will. But the point is a rough outline of things to make note of, as part of a mindfulness, to sort of monitor. Like okay, how’s this area doing, is it improving with this treatment modality, (I use that term very losely, anything is a treatment modality), or is it not. And then go into the details of essentially fine tuning that element to square it away. 

I feel more positive about my recovery and that’s really all that matters and is important. But even if you don’t, feel that way, it’s still possible to interact with recovery and to achieve a result or to get progress. 

 

For me it started it completely different areas than I want to outline right now. This is just the focus at this time. But at one time, there were other core things. I mean it started extremely basic. Rehabilitation, it truly begins with the simplest of things. So I don’t want someone reading this to think oh my god I can’t jump into this at this stage, I don’t even have a sense of self worth. I can’t even manage a panic attack. I can’t even get out of bed. Etc. 

That’s ok. I started there. It took me a very long time to even be at the place where I was driving myself to therapy, and choosing to do this on my own volition. 

There is a lot of resistance that goes into this too, and that is a natural and crucial part of the process. Out of conflict, results a forced resolution. So if you’re fighting something, it’s because whatever it is you’re in front of, it’s very, very important and it really means something to you and your healing. And it’s important to explore that conflict, and that you find a way to resolve it. Because I’m doing that it makes you strong enough to take the next step. Hard to explain in a way that makes sense. But conflict creates change and desired outcomes, I know. Controversial. 

I’ve even supported the idea a bit of negative feedback can be healthy when it’s necessary. Reality needs to show you reality. If you don’t live in reality. If you don’t get real. It is very hard to. But the lessons it has To show you, I look at them like changing lane devices on train tracks. They are showing you the way, whether you like it or not… and for whatever reason. You invited this. You chose to put yourself in a position where you would hear this. 

 

It may seem really hurtful and harmful at first, but when added to the soul mix… inside. It is extremely transformative. A little bit of pressure is better for you than you think. A little bit of catalytic something or another, it’s food for the soul. I can’t explain it any other way. 

It is very difficult. But it is teaching you and guiding you to a place that is better than you were before. Inside. I’m telling you, everything that seems wrong outside. It’s actually inside that’s the problem. Engage in the process, keep giving yourself a chance. And maybe, the inside will start to change, and the outside won’t seem like such a problem anymore and neither will the inside. 

You’re not a problem. The way you are, your mind, there’s nothing wrong with you. You’re not broken. You’re not damaged. But if you feel this way and think this way these are indicators or markers you are due for healing and engaging with a process a little more, to elicit a profound type of healing you didn’t think was possible. 

 

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Psychiatrist areas to monitor: 

>healing from trauma and trauma behaviors (freeze, fawn, etc.) and trauma thought patterns (distrust, paranoia) 

>Self worth 

>identity, dissociation, and memory 

>rumination, catastrophizing, negative thoughts, overthinking, self doubt 

>suicidal thoughts 

>defeating behaviors (I.e- isolation, giving up, rigidity)

>obsessive compulsive disorder 

>>eating disorder, diet, nutrition, health 

>anxiety and panic attacks 

>self care and self compassion 

>relational and parasocial difficulties 

>stress management and stress resiliency 

>depression 

>sleep 

>inattention (focus) and cognitive efficacy/speed, general mental clarity

 

im proud of myself for getting through these last what, two three weeks of hell. As soon as I reached the 6 month mark of quitting lexapro cold turkey. Even just one day down where I was able to go to bed feeling more positive is proof to me that I can do this, that I can try. 

Taking it one day at a time, and the seeds of progress I make day by day, though they seem small, are slowly uprooting and lifting me out of here. 

Being extremely vulnerable to share all of this and has taken a long time to come to a place where I can even do that. 

I found the number of treatment modalities and the science behind it growing muddier and muddier and more uncertain, the more I thought about it. Overwhelming. 

I couldn’t journal about it for the longest time, because I would get too overwhelmed at the idea. But I’m starting to make more sense to myself. I’m starting to find confidence. I hated the idea of sharing an inauthentic or what I felt like was an incompleted self. I felt like the impact it would have would be negative or be pointless. That it wouldn’t serve my goals, or like this part of me that journals was pointless or somehow bad. 

But I am more well when I allow myself to engage. With what I like to do and also with my truth. Trusting the process. 

With a lot more self compassion and validation and in this I find a restoration of my strength and my sanity / mental well being. 

last edit on 9/15/2022 4:44:38 AM
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If you are dealing with a problem that is entirely mental, why don’t you seek to change your mentality? No really, ask why. 

 

The answer may not be readily available when you search for it inside, if this is your first time asking. Why haven’t I sought change. 

But you are not lost. Feelings are flags. Your thoughts are symptoms of the problem. 

But the problem isn’t that you are broken or sick. There are components of alignment, components of growth, that your soul is trying to open your eyes to. Using the mental symptoms, and feelings, sometimes even physical. 

Feelings are flags, and guiding lights to show you the way toward an openness. 

So today for example I woke up and immediately started spiraling through my overthinking thoughts. 

But instead of trying to shut them out. I closed my eyes and paid attention to my body. Where is the tension, okay release it. This is a practice I learned in meditation. 

Reminded myself you’re only having these thoughts and feelings of overwhelm because why. Resistance. Fear. Etc. 

Then I reminded myself to align what I truly felt, to free myself of the burden of enduring. 

 

What do I really want? It’s okay if that thing doesn’t make sense. What do you really want. It’s okay if you don’t have a complete picture yet. 

 

I know what I need. Now my path is in alignment. Now what I am doing with my day makes sense. Now I can focus. Now my stress and depression is gone. My worry. 

Everytime I catch myself getting overwhelmed or wanting to get negative I remind myself. Tap into my body. Change it. And you will be free. 

The rest doesn’t matter, because happiness is truly an inside job. And you cannot end suffering with externals. 

The only thing you can do is align with yourself, and the more you try to resist that, the more pain and suffering you will put yourself through, and agony. 

I know this works because. I am able to eat. 

For months I have been starving, all my life in a way I have been starving. I’ve had an eating disorder since I was ten. I kept saying it, I’m starving, I’m starving, I’m starving. I said it all the time and I really meant it. I really felt it. Because I couldn’t eat, I have OCD, about food. Some days are better than others. 

And then when I decompressed, and allowed myself to align with my truth and happiness. I stopped overthinking about food. 

I don’t know why this happened. But I knew my lack of alignment in my life was correlated to the food thing, I knew the stress of that made it worse. 

I guess I finally felt safe and normal for once, and that turned off all the over drive trauma responses I was talking about. My brain became more regulated, my systems, etc. 

 

So that is why this works for me at this time. And I think this simple practice will allow me to engage with other practices (without feeling like I am suffering through them but rather welcoming it) and will allow me to continue on my path. 

There is no path that comes without conflict or difficulties, or unforeseen troubles. But you will be able to handle them better, if you are in this state of alignment rather than a frenzied and traumatized state. 

It sounds sort of simple when you put it like that, almost should be self explanatory. But it’s much easier said than done, and takes practice. 

You have to trust that you know what you want and you need and your spirit will literally guide you there if you just listen to it. 

Welcome to mindfulness and alignment. If someone is telling you, you have to live your life for you. This may be a sign they see what you need, but they just know how to help you get there. 

It starts with mindfulness. For some it may start with action, inspiration, etc. for me it starts with releasing the tension in my body and my mental fear cycles, that are keeping me trapped in a life that is miserable, and causing me to literally starve. 

Life doesn’t have to be suffering. It may not be bliss 100% of the time either. But when you are in better alignment with yourself and what you want for *you*, your needs, etc. The way that life feels like suffering begins to change. And gives you more opportunity. 

It’s not what you do it’s how you’re going about it, your mentality that’s making it so miserable. But you can’t change your mentality by ignoring it. 

 

 

 

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https://www.choosingtherapy.com/logotherapy/ 

Been researching therapy modalities. 

My psychiatrist recommended me for Prozac 20mg and intensive out patient program. The program reports that it is heavily CBT and DBT focused. The program is for mood, anxiety and eating disorders. 


Once insurance is finalized will be going in for assessment, where they will decide where I should be placed within their programs or if what they have to offer is even a good fit for me. 

He also wrote down another program, and the names of several out patient therapists to call. 

As well as a sheet about trauma responses, with an Instagram handle on it. I went to the Instagram and found a plethora of informstion about various treatment models for trauma. 

I’ve been researched the body keeps the score because my psychiatrist said “have you heard of it” I can’t remember if he told me directly to read it or not I think he just said it’s a rewllt good book that he believes is relevant to me 

 

I also am interested in Pete walker surviving to thriving. 

I’ve been given DBT book before, I can link that one as well. I actually gave it to someone stupidly but… that is what a precious therapist recommended for me? 

I also researched a therapeutic approaches to overthinking (something I really struggle with currently since taking myself off medication). 

 

And watch psychiatrist / neuroscience videos from time to time about topics that interest me for whatever reason at the time.

 

in the past I researched dissociation heavily, and spent the last several years in Narcotics anonymous and ACA, and read books / researched neurobiology of happiness. 

 

im open to learning as you can see but it appears sometimes like there is so fucking much to learn, and all of it is debatable. Trying to carve out the best path for myself feels daunting, but I believe that as long as you are trying, and in doing so that is helping you get healthier, that’s enough at the time. And as things change, you can seek out other methods to help you recover. It’s sort of just about accepting it’s an on going process, and you’re not going to get everything you could possibly need from one person, in an 8 week format. 

Though you will surprise yourself with how far you can come, it’s also true that it’s a very nonlinear process. 

 

I feel a lot more at peace with myself when I am simply left alone. I’m trying to work on this. 

It’s hard to explain what the experience is like. But as soon as everyone is gone, I feel free. 

Though I am not free from the things I was so worried about in my overthinking, I feel less worried and stressed about it, when no one is around. 

I just feel a lot of peace in being left alone. It’s not that I want to be alone. It’s just that the people I live with, they don’t really like who I am. 

For whatever reason, this simple fact, is causing my entire psyche to completely crumble under this kind of unhealthy pressure. 

But when I am free, when they’re not around. I feel fine. I feel centered, at peace, and the normal stressors of life “healthy pressures” aren’t so bad anymore. Because I know they can make my life better, I’m happy to do them. I’m happy to be a part of my life, even if it is simple at times. Even if it is unknown. 

But as soon as the unhealthy pressure comes home, I am suffocating again. Such dramatic adjectives. 


It’s destroying my resiliency to stress and normal things, mt self confidence and self worth deteriorates, and I spiral into some sort of strange place of negative feedback loops of increasing pain, depression, and existential worry. 

As soon as they walk out the door, or *I* walk out the door. I’m perfectly fine. And all of that stops. 

It makes me wonder if,.. I really need Prozac, or if I just need a place to live that’s healthy for me. 

My grandmother has offered to take me in. I don’t know what the constraints of that would be. Paying rent and groceries bills etc, transportation, and I believe she may want me to go to school and church. Once again I am under someone’s thumb and demanded or forced to join in their life, what they want to do, what they think is best for me, etc. 

 

This notion has its place, in parenting. But I am 27 years old. 

To do this to someone of this age,… it is control, not guidance. 

There has to be a healthy balance of autonomy, and the moments in my life where I have had it or some semblance of it, I am happiest that way. 

Being the kind of person who thrives with independence  sounds great. I’m also the kind of person who wakes up at 5am naturally and enjoys it. I work really hard, and have no problem with that concept (I enjoy hard work, challenges, even jumping through hoops). 

I find the process of achievement enjoyable. 

These sound like great qualities for a person to have naturally. A lot of people wish they could be this way, and struggle with laziness, procrastination, sleeping in. Etc. 

But I have my other areas of struggle. There’s a yin and yang to every concept. 

Im independent because I never learned how to connect with others, or am not as natural at it as naturally as it might come to some. 
>lack of trust; intrusive thoughts about perfectionism 

 

I’m well spoken when I write because I find comfort in literature, and anxiety in speaking. 
>people pleasing; intrusive thoughts about social anxieties 

I wake up at 5am because I like my peace and solace, and it’s a time for me to be creative or explore new things or do things I enjoy. But the reason I do it is because I have prone-ness to workaholism, and think the only time I will have for “me” is at this time- while the rest of my time, I prioritize all the wrong things- everything but myself. This is a recipe for true burn out. 
>inability to relax; intrusive thoughts about not being good enough 

I have learned a lot about balance through pursuit of my own recovery. And I have tried to read a lot about things, and the more contradictory information I found, the more I realized, that it’s really not about getting it right. As far as selecting the exact right treatment modality for you? Being OCD, this is an area I get hung up on. 

The more I talk about and detangle myself from these areas, the better I am doing. I am working on my definition of success. 

And I am finding that participating in whatever works for you at the time is the best approach anyone can take to the situation. So for me I found, okay I do a lot better mentally when I am independent and able to create boundaries with both the healthy and unhealthy pressures my life. I do a lot better when I know I am working to address the problem, and I am living my life for me. 

These are vague descriptors, and have success in any context. You have to accept that life will constantly change, and you have the capacity to change a long with it to suit your needs. 

All it requires is a bit of mindfulness to your intuitive processes. 

That’s why I really don’t judge anyone for what modality they choose in life. I never have, because I always saw it as morally incorrect on some level, and had difficulty with the concept of “I’m right, your wrong.” 

But seriously, I don’t judge people for what religion they adopt (and then un-adopt) for what grocery store they shop at, what smart phone they use or don’t use. What their job is, how they do their hair or like to dress, who they marry/fuck or don’t fuck. 

It’s always subject to change. 

All you can do is what is right for you in the present moment and then build on that from there. 

I have this fear of commitment, I hate talking about it that way. Because really if you dissect it further that’s just a scary way of saying, a need for sense of control. Or, whatever else could it be. 

 

After researching internal family systems therapy, I discovered that okay this part of me that wants to control the ever living daylights out of every possible out come, really it is trying to help me to do what? Achieve something, avoid something. This system that wants to take control of everything all the time, really what does it actually want to do for itself? It likes order, it likes peace, it likes homeostasis. Give it a hobby. Give it it’s time and place. But don’t let it rule your career, your relationships, your future. That’s not what it’s for. It’s there to help you, achieve order and balance. 

 

A lot of ptsd-healing is just re-balancing the brain and physiology as best as one can to work in that persons favor. 

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@16:50 is where he starts getting to the point 

 

from the comment section: 

"doctors/therapists far too many times think they know it all and aren't interested in looking for the truth about trauma and what it really does to people and what they actually need to heal." 

 

https://positivepsychology.com/internal-family-systems-therapy/ 

 

https://www.starlingminds.com/what-is-online-cognitive-behavioral-therapy-cbt-starling-minds/ 

 

https://www.goodtherapy.org/learn-about-therapy/types/emotional-transformation-therapy 

 

https://biggirlinterrupted.ca/blogs/2020-with-a-vision/how-to-put-together-a-self-care-vision-board-that-works-for-you-big-girl-interrupted 

 

https://www.verywellmind.com/rational-emotive-behavior-therapy-2796000 

 

https://www.amazon.com/Dialectical-Behavior-Therapy-Skills-Workbook/dp/1572245131 

 

https://www.instagram.com/complextraumahealing/?hl=en 

 

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I'm so confused. My doctor has prescribed me out patient therapists (a whole list of them to choose from), based on my 'complaints', and referred me to a center for mood anxiety and eating disorders that is heavily CBT and DBT focused. Asked me if I ever tried EMDR before which I said yes. As well as given me Prozac. (as well as another center as an option, which i haven't investigated yet?) 

 

Yet, he mentions "the body keeps the score" and upon watching the linked video, the author of the very book my psychiatrist claims is so great, he says, that CBT is bull shit, that EMDR doesn't really work for people with CPTSD it's more for isolated traumas (which, i knew that), and that Prozac doesn't WORK. 

 

I saw a link about holistic alternatives to Prozac, and heard about a center in another state that does 11 day and 30 day programs (at a decent price) which is holistic based and supports people who are against medications (unless its absolutely necessary they take medications). 

 

 

The only thing that began to make sense to me is the neuroimaging scans. 

https://www.amazon.com/Hardwiring-Happiness-Science-Contentment-Confidence/dp/0385347316 

 

I think psychotherapy will be beneficial to me, just because whenever I'm able to talk out loud about my thoughts and feelings, it helps me realize stuff about it and process it. But without *proper* informed guidance, it's less helpful, that's not treatment. 

 

My concern is that whoever I'm doing therapy with, just isn't informed how to really help me. Everyone seems to have differing and conflicting ideas. 

 

 

I am hopeful, though about basic psychotherapy, because lately talking about things out loud has helped me feel more a bit more clear. 

 

Most recently the topics have centered around 
>academic stress 
>existential dread, defeatist deterministic mind sets 
>overthinking 
>interpersonal relationships 
>family trauma 
>ocd 
>add, memory 

 

something i haven't addressed that is on my mind, was a topic my psychiatrist mentioned briefly was he believed i had narcissistic parents and struggle with codependency

 

Groups like ACA and researching narcissism/borderline have helped me to *understand* my situation, but a large part of me deals with conflict about it and denial. Everyone tells me, "they're bad, get away." but I'm so thoroughly brainwashed, I truly have a hard time doing that. 


And even when I do "get away" I white knuckle, and then eventually fall apart completely, for the same reasons, that keep me stuck here too. 


It's nauseating

 

I want to be free, but even when I am, I still don't feel like it. And that's the part of trauma that few people seem to understand. "just leaving" is only the beginning of the solution to the problem. I'm trying to solve the entire equation. 

 

Letting go and accepting it's not possible for me to do that, also requires me to come face to face with the facts of life I don't know how to handle, not in a healthy way. 

 

The world is grueling, and confusing, and a little bit dark. It's misleading, uncertain, depraved, take-take-take, and difficult to look at. That doesn't make this process any easier. 

 

People judge you for the processes you're going through, without understanding much of it themselves. Even mental health staff, can be rather mean. 

 

 

Anyway, I'm going to look into DBT and trauma informed specialists therapy modalities for the purpose of gaining coping mechanisms. 

 

Keeping an open mind about meditation and brain-body physiological practices, mind body gut stuff. Functional medicine and endocrinology, diet nutrition supplements, working out yoga things like that. As well as holistic healing options, alternatives to SSRI. (My psychiatrist will be reviewing bloodwork labs as well) 

https://www.bodylogicmd.com/physicians/dr-jennifer-negrin/ 
^this doctor thought it might be possible I have a metabolic processing or auto-immune disorder but would need to do further testing to see. Saw serious deficiencies and imbalances in several hormones, and prescribed a diet and nutrition regiment to help. She also said I was gluten intolerant or borderline celiac something like that, I can't remember, but basically gluten isn't the best thing for my body. 
>my body indicated that it was under or had been under prolonged periods of stress, which is consistent with people with possible health problems or post traumatic stress disorder (cortisol gland was shot) 
>our primary focus was on increasing absorption of crucial things to balance the body and help my brain/body do the best it can do to do the things it needs, to do. 

 

I'm really coming at this all angles. But realistically I really feel like I just need to talk to someone who knows how to help me, and just be able to get everything off my chest that I've never been able to say would be a great start for me. Which is why I'm still hopeful about psychotherapy and CBT being a good step in the right direction. (IOP program) 

 

And then out patient, do some specialized trauma therapy and OCD therapy. 

 

I was also recommended for some type of study that I forgot the name of, which has to do with personality disorders I think? Neuro something? I'm not sure but my psych wanted to send me for that kind of analysis as well. 

 

I also read about Neurofeedback, which to me seems like a dressed up EMDR or "accelerated resonance therapy" for other areas. Could be worth looking into, considering my complaints about memory, memory retention, and attention/focus? 

People want to slap a label on me like ADD, and give me stratera (because I refused stimulants). I also tried a holistic supplement or two, which increased calm or mood. 

 

I've also been to a learning specialist about my memory problems, which of course they told me they think (without doing any testing) that I had "left hemisphere brain damage" possibly from a pretty serious car wreck I got in, causing my memory issues, and recommended I do a developmental type of therapy for my brain to improve its memory capacity? 

 

But I don't know if I believe them without any proof, and it's my understanding this kind of condition is difficult to find proof of,... so. The person I spoke to who told me they "believe I have brain damage" wasn't even a doctor, and that didn't sit right with me. 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwQhKFMxmDY&t=2112s 

@35:22 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longitudinal_fissure 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lateralization_of_brain_function 

 

https://www.amazon.com/Complex-PTSD-Surviving-RECOVERING-CHILDHOOD/dp/1492871842 

 

"Now, Pete Walker says, “Insight, as crucially important as it is, is never enough to attain the deeper levels of recovering [from Cptsd]” (page 216). But insight is undoubtedly the crucial step in working toward the deeper levels of recovering from Cptsd. As a matter of fact, Pete Walker himself endorses insights that a person may gain from self-help books, which he styles bibliotherapy (pages 303-307).

Pete Walker also identifies certain negative characteristics of each response pattern (page 107). He claims that as deeper level recovering proceeds, the negative defensive structures built around the four response patterns (narcissistic, obsessive-compulsive, dissociative, and/or co-dependent) are readily deconstructed (page 163), thereby allowing the positive characteristics (page 106) to emerge more fully for each response pattern."

 

^reviews section of the book, comment by Thomas J. Farrell

I think this is exactly what I'm trying to say, when I say that I think psychotherapy will be beneficial to me, the last paragraph is exactly what I'm trying to accomplish through engaging with trauma informed psychotherapy I just didn't know how to say it. 

Do I think its everything I need, no. Unfortunately not. But I think it may be a large part of it, possibly everything, who knows. 

 

I would like to be able to eat without worry. To deal with normal life stressors without overthinking every single thing I do. And for more positive characteristics to emerge from that would be great. 

 

This sounds like a more informed approach to dismantling the deeply complex psychology of why someone is overthinking, rather than other things I've read like, "just stop doing it, just ignore it, and it'll get better over time." 

 

I wonder if there's anything in the book about denial. 

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It feels like everything, but it's really nothing. 

 

Mental health problems paint the picture that everything is wrong, and at the same time you can't figure out why or pin point the exact cause of the problem. It's an optical illusion. 

 

The facade of everything being wrong, is not correct. 

 

It's actually one thing. Which kind of plays into the recent research I was doing into Occam's Razor. 

 

Very interesting, and very liberating. 

 

It's hard to say this is the case for all cases. But today, for example. 

 

I woke up in distress. I've been waking up, and experiencing distress all day everyday, trapped in it like ground hog day. And go to bed that way as well. It's as excruciating as it sounds. 

 

I blamed it on the lack of lexapro (bottoming out) and reaching the lowest points of withdrawal or the highest points of total lack of it in your system. 

 

But today, someone cared, and someone listened. I have been very honest about my thoughts and feelings to those around me. I didn't want to feel a burden but, my mom seemed to encourage it and made time for it where possible. It was cathartic for me at times, so I kept doing it, kept opening up. Etc. I made tiny morsels of progress. Like I did with the research. Experience momentary relief or catharsis. Or had momentary clarity about small subject areas. 

 

But the problem still seemed too big and complex, to solve. And I didn't know how. 

 

I still didn't know what the problem really even is, I just have this long list, of confusing problem areas. 

 

But this morning I talked to my mom, as I usually have been doing when I get the chance, and just saying whatever my thoughts and feelings are in that exact moment. It's distressing to do this and painful but I do it anyway, hoping it will help me get somewhere. 

 

(I'm buying time until I get to a 'real therapist', long story but, awaiting insurance complications and blah blah blah) 

 

So I ramble, my honest experience and stuff. And you know my mom asked me, because. I was crying, like I usually do. (I have been crying everyday for weeks, a lot. It's bad, I know.) And we stumbled upon the topic of self harm and suicidality and she asked me if I had those thoughts lately. I said, lately no but this morning, before I was fully awake yet, you know that interum between sleep and awake, I had imagery or ideation of like, suicide. In my head. Like THATS WHAT I WOKE UP TO. And that's like, how bad it is, the mental distress I'm in. You know. To wake up like that, and your brain is doing that to you, that shit is so far from normal, and pretty serious. 

 

I think at that point maybe my mom realized the seriousness of what I was going through, and we talked a bit more about other things. And the whole time, she had a video of italy playing in the background. To soothe both parties. 

 

And it switched to a scene where they're at the beach. So she said, "do you want to go to the beach" and I said "yeah" while crying. And she said, "let's go." and i'm like, "are you serious?" and she's like yeah lets go right now. And I'm like what? lol. I just assumed she would leave like usual and I'd be left there to deal with my own, insanity. Per usual. 

 

So I escaped the echo chamber. We went to the beach. I wasn't cured immediately, my rumination still exists no matter the context. But I continued to talk and talk about my thoughts. I guess she just sort of gave me the space to rant. 

 

And after enough talking about all my ruminations and thoughts and feelings about things. She sort of helped me realize that all of that level of OCD ruminating and thinking and over thinking to the nth degree and the nth detail of *everything* I encounter see experience think about or do... in any facet, any capacity no matter how big or small. It's completely and utterly insane and the crux of my problem. The core of all the issues, is likely this. Which we're just labelling OCD. 

 

The psychiatrist said I was OCD, but I didn't really understand it because I don't walk in and out of door frames, count pennies, or organize pens in color order (thought I find that very satisfying to watch). It's really interesting because the research I was doing was about dopamine, and stress. And a lot of OCD behavior is rooted in dopamine release (when you do the behavior like following through with a ritual you get dopamine). 

 

So anyway, the reason why I write the way I write (some people say it drives them crazy, the structure, and the sentences the way I explain things too detailed and including every morsel or step). But this is the indication of pretty extreme OCD. 

 

It's just in the way I *think* and not so much in behavior. But it's just as debilitating. There are behaviors, just not the ones you'd think, and they're a major problem for my health. I've had these behaviors or OCD struggles, since I was ten years old. 

 

And that's when I realized, yeah. This is the core of all the issues. Because this is what showed up first. Before suicidality, before the panic attacks, before the depression, it was this first. And I thought about periods of remission in my life where I didn't experience these things, and what was I doing so differently. And why was it different for me now. How can I un-break it. 

 

So then we discussed, okay, when you were taking medication you didn't have these thoughts and didn't struggle as much with the behaviors, you should probably take the medication, and then do the therapy for it, get better control of your thoughts your mind and then you'll be able to return to what your perception of normalcy was or those blissful wonderful periods of remission you remember enjoying. 

 

There's been times where I wasn't afraid of food, where I didn't overthink or ruminate about everything I did or thought. 

 

So yeah, and for whatever reason. Discovering that is the core of the issue, it just made everything I was flipping out about become a lot less stressful and daunting to think about and living my life as normal and attaining normalcy (including happiness) seemed more possible. 

 

I'm just a lot happier at realizing this is why everything was so difficult and stressful, just normal day to day things... I said, things like, "I don't see the point" and "everything feels like swimming against the current" and

 

at face value this sounds like depression. It's not though, it's actually the markings of someone drowning in their own thoughts. You can work with that. 

 

I highly recommend getting out all your thoughts, even if it takes an entire day, and you rant for 12 hours. Yes, I really had to talk this long. I cried through it. It was very hard to do. 

 

Still, we tried to get into a subject matter like, 'why are you OCD in the first place, like, what broke you?" and I wasn't able to open up about *that* per say. I will do that with a therapist and it will be in very small bite size pieces. My psychiatrist was asking for theh same thing, and I really struggle to speak about it. 

 

Because I start to experience crazy wild ptsd panic attacks and dissociation and get sick and vomit and all kinds of pain and shaking its just way too much. But I know in bite size pieces I can sort through it and like "conquer the trauma" but I know I need to do it with a therapist just to feel safe and comfortable. 

 

So yeah, I didn't go there. Just wasn't in the mood to have a panic attack and take klonopin. Another day I will. hah. And it will be great when I start like, therapuetically tackling that trauma that underlies it. 

 

But yeah, I feel like with therapy and meds I can feel better about what I'm doing with life going forward, And that's really neat. Because 12 hours ago, I didn't have as much hope for the future so. Identifying the problem and understanding it's workable, made me a lot happier. 

 

I said "the beach is natural prozac"... a double rainbow appeared on the beach as it started pouring rain and I got very freezing. This happened literally as we were discovering the root of the problem is that I am flat out OCD and need to take my damn medication. 

 

And then I was running in the rain back, and barefoot on the wet boards, risking splinters the whole way, and shivering. And it was amazing but, despite being rather dirty and sandy and having an 'unenjoyable' experience of getting rained on, getting freezing cold, having to run, having to leave the beach and go home. All negative things really. I was experiencing something positive and enjoyable. 

 

Something about the running in the rain, the freezing cold wind hitting me, being barefoot. I was enjoying a very unpleasing experience thoroughly, found it exhillerating and fun, and said, "I just wanted to feel alive." 

 

"That's why I did all of this (stopped taking lexapro cold tukey) I just wanted to feel something, anything." Even the experience of running the rain and being cold and wet, and disgusting, quite frankly. But I felt it all, and it was very visceral and real. 

 

 Oh yeah and my mom told me to buy the "pete walker" book "surviving to thriving" book I was talking about. 

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