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I think that I just lost my faith in Jesus over this wine thing


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no one can explain to me how Jesus drinking the sour wine vinegar on the cross before his death was not a contradiction to his vow to not drink any more wine after the last supper Passover meal until he drinks it new with them in his Father's Kingdom and now Jesus is starting to seem like an alcoholic who just cannot give up that last drink  :/

 

I mean,  if this holds true I will feel a sense of relief that no one is going to be burning in he'll for eternity  but I will miss Jesus  the funny thing is,  you probably all think that I am super attached to my identity being the divine Mother but I actually do not care either way  mostly I just wanted a good man and belief system to believe in and cling to and trust in,  and Jesus and Christianity was that for me  💔

 

I am kind of heartbroken,  and kind of relieved  what now though,  where do I go from here ?  I do not even know what to do with my life anymore  part of me thinks that I should keep studying the scriptures and make sure that I know all of the problematic contradictions to help myself and to help other people,  either to talk them out of Christiianity or into it whatever my final decision ends up being in the future if somehow Jesus convinces me of his truthfulness again after this disturbing encounter with a seeming inescapable contradiction

 

 

last edit on 7/30/2022 2:53:15 PM
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these are the scripture passages for reference:

 

Matthew 26:27-30

27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

30 And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.


Mark 14:23-24

23 And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it.

24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.

25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

26 And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.


Luke 22:14-18

14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.

15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:

16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:

18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

 

 

Matthew 27:46-50

46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

47 Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias.

48 And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink.

49 The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him.

50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.


Mark 15:34-37

34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

35 And some of them that stood by, when they heard it, said, Behold, he calleth Elias.

36 And one ran and filled a spunge full of vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink, saying, Let alone; let us see whether Elias will come to take him down.

37 And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.


John 19:28-30

28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.

30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

 

https://biblehub.com/lexicon/matthew/27-48.htm

it with sour wine ὄξους (oxous) 3690: sour wine from oxos

 

 

last edit on 7/30/2022 3:49:40 PM
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WHAT DOES HE MEAN AFTER HIS DEATH ONCE HE IS IN HEAVEN OR SOMETHING ????????????  I JUST CANNOT  HOW CAN I BELIEVE WHEN HE SAYS STUFF LIKE THIS AND IS SO VAGUE  HOW CAN I GIVE THE BENEFIT OF A DOUBT WHEN I HAVE A SKEPTIC MIND

 

I HAVE A SKEPTIC MIND NOT A SIMPLE MIND

 

FRICK IDK WHAT TO DO OR WHAT TO BELIEVE

 

 

last edit on 7/30/2022 3:52:09 PM
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Pretty sure God doesn't dig it when people question Him, maybe you should learn how to stop asking so many questions? 😏

I believe the expression goes "The Devil Is In The Details". 

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https://sociopathcommunity.com/Forum/Topic/25015/1/fine-jesus-meant-the-passover-ritual-bread-and-passover-ritual-wine#post166592

 

 

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no one can explain to me how Jesus drinking the sour wine vinegar on the cross before his death was not a contradiction to his vow to not drink any more wine after the last supper Passover meal until he drinks it new with them in his Father's Kingdom and now Jesus is starting to seem like an alcoholic who just cannot give up that last drink  :/

In Jesus' defense, he only did it one time. That's not how an addict thinks unless you're suggesting Jesus would sneak off to drink by himself or something. 

It would explain why he'd sleep outside if he didn't want to be caught taking sips. 

I mean,  if this holds true I will feel a sense of relief that no one is going to be burning in hell for eternity

Wait... how does this make it so no one burns?

but I will miss Jesus  the funny thing is,  you probably all think that I am super attached to my identity being the divine Mother but I actually do not care either way  mostly I just wanted a good man and belief system to believe in and cling to and trust in,  and Jesus and Christianity was that for me  💔

Very attached. 

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last edit on 7/30/2022 6:24:46 PM
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no I was not,  I did not care about that at all but without Jesus I felt like life was meaningless  but giving him a pass on the fruit of the vine referring specifically to ritual Passover / New Covenant communion wine allows me to have Jesus back sooo

 

 

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no I was not,  I did not care about that at all but without Jesus I felt like life was meaningless  but giving him a pass on the fruit of the vine referring specifically to ritual Passover / New Covenant communion wine allows me to have Jesus back sooo

I see, so that you do not have to abandon your faith you will look for any excuse to keep it over how you don't know what to do with yourself otherwise. 

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not any excuse,  but a passable reason yeah  this one is on that very fine line of passable enough

 

 

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