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Buttered Toast said: 

Behaviorism = Rationalism(Empiricism)

no it does not lol

Tryptamine said: 

It's one of those things where the idea is nice, but it doesn't seem that scientific. As in: Do I think many humans would find fulfillment in being aligned with a sense of purpose and security? Yeah. Do I think psychophysical and psychosocial development takes place in a pyramid-type structure, one layer building atop the other? Not really.

Martyrs and ascetists, for example, are actualized without basic needs met. Esteem seems more like an ego thing which doesn't require a sense of belonging, and plenty of eccentric geniuses were aligned with purpose without having much sense of belonging or being loved. I would argue that self-actualization is probably more of a thing for people high in openness to experience, or focused on accomplishment, and when you start trying to apply it to everyone, the idea of what actualization is becomes more nebulous until it's kind of useless.

Isn't it more of like general rule like if someone asks why were there less great scientists and philosophers in africa and well it's because they had some other things to think about except what an atom is or where knowledge comes from instead of it having to do with genetics.

Do you believe those at the top of the pyramid are happier or more depressed than those at the bottom of the pyramid?

Tryptamine said: 

Xena said: 

I've mentioned Maslow's Needs Heirarchy before. Not sure if you were around.

What do you think of it?

It's one of those things where the idea is nice, but it doesn't seem that scientific. As in: Do I think many humans would find fulfillment in being aligned with a sense of purpose and security? Yeah. Do I think psychophysical and psychosocial development takes place in a pyramid-type structure, one layer building atop the other? Not really.

Martyrs and ascetists, for example, are actualized without basic needs met. Esteem seems more like an ego thing which doesn't require a sense of belonging, and plenty of eccentric geniuses were aligned with purpose without having much sense of belonging or being loved. I would argue that self-actualization is probably more of a thing for people high in openness to experience, or focused on accomplishment, and when you start trying to apply it to everyone, the idea of what actualization is becomes more nebulous until it's kind of useless.

 I think you have the causal relationship backwards, as Bitch pointed out.

The point is that if you're starving in some third world country somewhere, or some dick tater is blowing the hell out of your town, it's a lot more difficult to stay in school and learn w/e skills a person needs to activate their potential.

And martyrs? Rlly?

I'm pretty sure that realizing one's full potential, self actualization requires being alive to enjoy it.

Corpses are not actualized, thx.

But yeah, what is self actualization? I have a good idea of what that would mean for me, but a lot of people don't.

I still think it's a good guideline bc most of us aspire to be smthg, and at least 50% of people's traumas can usually be addressed by examining what they see as their own unfulfilled potential, and where things went wrong for them.

Or in day to day dealings with well adjusted people, we can get to know them by using the triangle to give them opportunites to showcase their values and how one thing follows from another, to produce the series of what they consider to be successes in their lives.

I use astrology as a mnemonics device, too  :D

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Is that a Mike Angel edit? Or am I confusing you?

Yes, I frequently throw the textbook away when I find a neat little theory that kinda works.

Xena said: 

 I think you have the causal relationship backwards, as Bitch pointed out.

Right?