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if you found out for sure that Jesus, God, and the freewill choice and this lifetime trial period between eternal hell in defiance against God, and eternal life worshipping God were all true, would you still want to be condemned to eternal hell?

 

I am just curious if you are only saying that because you don't believe, but I'm curious if you did believe it if you would still want to be condemned to eternal hell rather than submit to Jesus as Lord of your life and worship him

 

last edit on 10/18/2021 9:40:45 PM
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Yes, and I've typed paragraphs as to why towards you specifically. It's over the principle of it, even if He's real I don't agree with it, and for every story of important beings defying His will, once split from the clear bias in it's authoring it shows a more sympathetic and reasonable case. 

I'm not going to sell my soul just for the promise of comfort, even if it's selling it to God. The virtue of 'choice' is paramount and only Hell truly offers an intact brain, and the same ideas that many a conspiracy nut go on about over 'selling your soul to the Devil/Illuminati/One World Government/Antichrist' I see as no different from selling it to Jesus. 

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last edit on 10/18/2021 9:48:36 PM
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Yes, and I've typed paragraphs as to why towards you specifically. It's over the principle of it, even if He's real I don't agree with it, and for every story of important beings defying His will, once split from the clear bias in it's authoring it shows a more sympathetic and reasonable case. 

I'm not going to sell my soul just for the promise of comfort, even if it's selling it to God. The virtue of 'choice' is paramount and only Hell truly offers an intact brain, and the same ideas that many a conspiracy nut go on about over 'selling your soul to the Devil/Illuminati/One World Government/Antichrist' I see as no different from selling it to Jesus. 

okay, thank you for letting me know the truth of your hard-heartedness, for me I've always been terrified of eternal hell and being separated from comfort and love and all of the happy and positive and joyful experiences in life, so I do not fully understand your lack of fear and desire to be separated from God, but He does give freewill and obviously many of his children do choose rebellion and "freedom to be sinful and evil and prideful"

 

last edit on 10/19/2021 10:50:29 AM
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just so you know though, in the future, all of his prideful and rebellious creation including Satan and the fallen angels and his rebellious and prideful children will be put to eternal shame and embarassment by Jesus, I promise you this

 

Galatians 6:7

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

 

Mark 8:38

38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

 

last edit on 10/19/2021 10:54:08 AM
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imagine having to face how imperfect and unholy and powerless you are, for eternity, while suffering his punishment of your wickedness and rejection of goodness and righteousness and salvation and love and truth and everything positive and beautiful

 

Philippians 4:8

8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

 

Galatians 5:22-23

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

 

Jesus is love

 

last edit on 10/19/2021 10:57:20 AM
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Yes, and I've typed paragraphs as to why towards you specifically. It's over the principle of it, even if He's real I don't agree with it, and for every story of important beings defying His will, once split from the clear bias in it's authoring it shows a more sympathetic and reasonable case. 

I'm not going to sell my soul just for the promise of comfort, even if it's selling it to God. The virtue of 'choice' is paramount and only Hell truly offers an intact brain, and the same ideas that many a conspiracy nut go on about over 'selling your soul to the Devil/Illuminati/One World Government/Antichrist' I see as no different from selling it to Jesus. 

okay, thank you for letting me know the truth of your hard-heartedness, for me I've always been terrified of eternal hell and being separated from comfort and love and all of the happy and positive and joyful experiences in life, so I do not fully understand your lack of fear and desire to be separated from God, but He does give freewill and obviously many of his children do choose rebellion and "freedom to be sinful and evil and prideful"

I'm more terrified of the spiritual lobotomy Heaven promises. 

I desire to be separate from God within these lore constraints over how I don't agree with Him. Rather than sticking to the path of 'evil' over a desire to sin, and rather than selfishly selling myself to God for a promise of comfort, I'm going with the selflessly philosophical choice of holding God accountable for His mistakes/choices rather than doing it over my own needs. 

Those who've been wronged by God typically didn't do enough to deserve it, and in many cases it looks clear to me by the virtue of his abilities that He outright orchestrated some of it, such as Lucifer's fall and Humanity's access to The Tree of Knowledge. 

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just so you know though, in the future, all of his prideful and rebellious creation including Satan and the fallen angels and his rebellious and prideful children will be put to eternal shame and embarassment by Jesus, I promise you this

 

After suffering the torment of Hell, a little shame won't mean anything anymore. That'd moreso be a show for the faithful I suspect. 

I don't see why I'd fight for something I very blatantly don't believe in or agree with just because my side might lose, I'm not that craven. If I'm to die on the 'wrong' side then it might as well be the one that I agree with. 
 

imagine having to face how imperfect and unholy and powerless you are, for eternity, while suffering his punishment of your wickedness and rejection of goodness and righteousness and salvation and love and truth and everything positive and beautiful

Christianity doesn't embrace power though, the promise of either side doesn't really grant it. The entire religion tries to demonize power while embracing tenacity. 

We otherwise are stuck facing how imperfect we are every day of our lives, how is this a change? Also, if one were to be sent to Hell not for their sins, but for their lack of worship for God, that'd probably be lighter punishment compared to murder and rape right? Or do they just kinda throw everyone into the same space like how Prisons are treated? 

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