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Psychopathic criminals have empathy switch


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Psychopaths do not lack empathy, rather they can switch it on at will, according to new research.

Placed in a brain scanner, psychopathic criminals watched videos of one person hurting another and were asked to empathise with the individual in pain.

Only when asked to imagine how the pain receiver felt did the area of the brain related to pain light up. Scientists, reporting in Brain, say their research explains how psychopaths can be both callous and charming.

The team proposes that with the right training, it could be possible to help psychopaths activate their "empathy switch", which could bring them a step closer to rehabilitation.

 

Mirror neurons

The ability to empathise with others - to put yourself in someone else's shoes - is crucial to social development in order to respond appropriately in everyday situations.

Criminals with psychopathy characteristically show a reduced ability to empathise with others, including their victims. Evidence suggests they are also more likely to reoffend upon release than criminals without the psychiatric condition. Psychopathy is a personality disorder characterised by superficial charm, pathological lying and a diminished capacity for remorse.

Now scientists have found that only when asked to empathise did the criminals' empathy reaction, also known as the mirror system, fire up the same way as it did for the controls. Without instruction, they show reduced activity in the regions of the brain associated with pain. This mirror system refers to the mirror neurons in our brain which are known to activate when we watch someone do a task and when we do it ourselves. They are thought to play a vital role in the ability to empathise with others.

 

'Bleak prospect'

Christian Keysers from the University of Groningen, the Netherlands, and senior author of the study, said it could change the way psychopathic criminals were viewed. "The predominant notion had been that they are callous individuals, unable to feel emotions themselves and therefore unable to feel emotions in others.

"Our work shows it's not that simple. They don't lack empathy but they have a switch to turn it on and off.

By default, it seems to be off." The fact that they have the capacity to switch empathy on, at least under certain conditions, could have a positive side to it, Prof Keysers said.

"The notion psychopaths have no empathy at all was a bleak prospect. It would make it very hard for them to have normal moral development.

"Now that we've shown they have empathy - even if only in certain conditions - we can give therapists something to work with," Prof Keysers told BBC News.

Brain activation in individuals with psychopathy was greater when asked to imagine pain (foreground) Image caption, Brain activation in criminals with psychopathy was greater when asked to empathise (foreground) But he explained that it was not yet known how this wilful capacity for empathy could be transformed into the spontaneous empathy most of us have.

 

Million-dollar question

Essi Viding from University College London, who was not involved with the study, said it was an extremely interesting finding, but that it remained unclear whether the psychopathic criminals' experience of empathy felt the same as that of the controls.

"It's dangerous to look at brain activation and say that it means they're empathising. They are able to generate a typical neural response, but that doesn't mean they have the same empathetic experience," Prof Viding told BBC News. "We know they can generate the same response but they do that in an active and effortful way. Under free-viewing conditions they don't seem to. Just because they can empathise, doesn't mean they will.

"Psychopathic criminals are clearly different. The million-dollar question is whether we can devise therapeutic interventions that would shift them do this more automatically."

Randall Salekin, from the University of Alabama, US, who works with youth offenders said: "These findings fit with much of the treatment I am doing using a mental model program, whereby youth are informed about how the brain works and then asked to make specific plans for improving their lives. "This study is impressive because it actually shows the brain mechanisms or neural networks involved in activating the inmates' empathy".

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-23431793.amp

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Doesn’t everybody just have an empathy switch though. I’ve always said the idea of absolutely no empathy or love or whatever else psychopaths can’t have for any reason is almost impossible and the idea that 4% of the population is sociopathic is delusional by that standard. So I guess that just makes them completely normal if they do have empathy. Maybe they investigated the wrong people.

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Old news dude, we've already seen the BS findings that try to say ASPD is like Vampire Diaries. 

Even if it can be switched on and off they're going to show less attachment to the concepts and a duller affect over them. 

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Chapo said: 

Doesn’t everybody just have an empathy switch though.

Nope, a lot of people are so self-driven that they just project everywhere, and more typically it can't be shut off at all. 

I’ve always said the idea of absolutely no empathy or love or whatever else psychopaths can’t have for any reason is almost impossible and the idea that 4% of the population is sociopathic is delusional by that standard.

What makes it hard to believe that people might struggle with empathy and forming attachments? 

Sympathy's not the same thing as mirroring the feelings of someone else. 

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last edit on 9/21/2021 9:06:05 PM
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Chapo said: 

Doesn’t everybody just have an empathy switch though.

Nope, a lot of people are so self-driven that they just project everywhere, and more typically it can't be shut off at all. 

I’ve always said the idea of absolutely no empathy or love or whatever else psychopaths can’t have for any reason is almost impossible and the idea that 4% of the population is sociopathic is delusional by that standard.

What makes it hard to believe that people might struggle with empathy and forming attachments? 

Sympathy's not the same thing as mirroring the feelings of someone else. 

I said almost impossible 1st of all, I think we’re in some sort of agreement. I refuse to believe that people cannot turn off empathy.

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Chapo said: 

I refuse to believe that people cannot turn off empathy.

You mean you haven't seen people struggle with that? 

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Chapo said: 

I refuse to believe that people cannot turn off empathy.

You mean you haven't seen people struggle with that? 

Lol I’m being a fucking idiot. Guess I didn’t even understand what empathy was. Yeah I can see people not being able to turn off empathy essentially by definition. The idea of put yourself in someone else’s shoes as they get tortured and feel their pain is the on switch but really you’re just experiencing a very fake type of empathy at that point.

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Chapo said: 
Chapo said: 

I refuse to believe that people cannot turn off empathy.

You mean you haven't seen people struggle with that? 

Lol I’m being a fucking idiot. Guess I didn’t even understand what empathy was. Yeah I can see people not being able to turn off empathy essentially by definition. The idea of put yourself in someone else’s shoes as they get tortured and feel their pain is the on switch but really you’re just experiencing a very fake type of empathy at that point.

Putting yourself in their shoes is sympathy, Empathy's about mirroring their reaction, like seeing someone crying and then feeling sad or like crying yourself. It's the doorway that allows 'Appeal to Emotion' to fuck with people, the contagion of emotional affect that can lead to angry mobs and shit. You don't even need to know what they're going through to feel empathy, but you do need to know those to properly sympathize. 

Sympathy simply sees what another's going through as 'a shame', 'that's nice', words that show they're disconnected from the event while logically appraising it based on criteria, while Empathy can straight up have you questioning why you're relating to something odd, like if you're talking to someone with fucked up expressions of emotion. Films like A Clockwork Orange for example aim to twist the perception of feelings which can lead to some empaths finding the film a bit disturbing. 

As an example with my Pain Lust problems, if I see someone in pain I can sympathize that they must be hating* it... but when my brain mirrors their feelings I feel good instead from a mismatched path in my brain. It's essentially Empathy over their pain but with incorrect symptoms. What splits the two apart is over how Sympathy is of the mind while Empathy is more automatic, allowing you to even feel bad for your enemy because of their current emotional state rather than full blown perspective taking. 

Some empaths outright avoid people over seeing their feelings as too overstimulating, or go as far as to attack and blame sad/angry people as if it were their fault that they're mirroring them. Empathy is effectively a sensitivity to expression that causes the subject to feel a shadow of the same thing, and is what makes some movies that focus on their feelings more of an investment for them when compared to lower empathetic expressions. 

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Chapo said: 
Chapo said: 

I refuse to believe that people cannot turn off empathy.

You mean you haven't seen people struggle with that? 

Lol I’m being a fucking idiot. Guess I didn’t even understand what empathy was. Yeah I can see people not being able to turn off empathy essentially by definition. The idea of put yourself in someone else’s shoes as they get tortured and feel their pain is the on switch but really you’re just experiencing a very fake type of empathy at that point.

Putting yourself in their shoes is sympathy, Empathy's about mirroring their reaction, like seeing someone crying and then feeling sad or like crying yourself. It's the doorway that allows 'Appeal to Emotion' to fuck with people, the contagion of emotional affect that can lead to angry mobs and shit. 

Sympathy simply sees what another's going through as 'a shame', logically appraising it based on criteria, while Empathy can straight up have you questioning why you're relating to something odd. 

As an example with my Pain Lust problems, if I see someone in pain I can sympathize that they must be enjoying it... but when my brain mirrors their feelings I feel good instead from a mismatched path in my brain. It's essentially Empathy over their pain but with incorrect symptoms. What splits the two apart is over how Sympathy is of the mind while Empathy is more automatic, allowing you to even feel bad for your enemy because of their current emotional state rather than full blown perspective taking. 

Some empaths outright avoid people over seeing their feelings as too overstimulating, or go as far as to attack and blame sad/angry people as if it were their fault that they're mirroring them. 

So what does a normal person feel empathy wise from the individual in pain at the beginning of the OP. And why is it so much more likely to feel empathy in that situation.

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I feel like empathy's less present over the internet than IRL. It's mostly sympathy unless you're watching videos or listening to their voice. 

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