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Vaccine study that made me question their validity entirely


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https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/17/22/8674/htm

I went over their methods and I don't see a way to explain the total effects observed apart from at least most of the vaccines causing many and varied issues, their assesment of confounding factors is pretty rigorous

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"The overall probability (risk) of a vaccine-targeted diagnosis in the unvaccinated, however, was only 0.0123, among 13 conditions. It is important to note that zero deaths have been attributed to any vaccine-targeted diagnosis in this practice over the study period."

Although I don't want to be sensationalist, it's logical to look at each vaccine individually and way the risks and benefits. I'd much rather have some adverse effects than get smallpox for example

like the authors say: We concur with Mawson et al., 2017 [9], who reported: “Further research involving larger, independent samples is needed to verify and understand these unexpected findings in order to optimize the impact of vaccines on children’s health.”, but at least one of the guys involved was fired for publishing this, and it seems like there's no institutional drive to actually investigate in depth

I mean the usual autism argument from antivaxers is I think demonstribly false but it's pretty hard to ignore the ADHD line jumping from 0 to 100.. it probably is skewed in that the vast majority of people get vaccinated so naturally most ADHD people would too. but the data shows not just most but ALL. still, it's just one study, and I do think maybe the people who are more likely to get themselves or their kids diagnosed as adhd are also more likely to give them vaccines.  but all the same I'm not sure that would be sufficient to explain the complete absence in the unvaccinated group, and I don't find it too hard to believe that immune response involving inflammatory cytokines could pervert a child's habits during development sufficiently to cause such an issue where it wouldn't otherwise exist, I mean inflammation is also linked to many issues including depression

food for thought anyway

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i will go over this when I have time. 

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interesting video

30% to 60% of front line medical workers are not getting the covid vaccine.

Depending on where you are at.

 

Basically the vaccine is still in a trial testing phase and people are not interested in being a lab rat. At least the smart ones are not. Funny how the sheep just follow what big government says.

 

 

FEAR! FEAR! FEAR! FEAR! FEAR! FEAR!
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LiYang said: 


 

interesting video

30% to 60% of front line medical workers are not getting the covid vaccine.

Depending on where you are at.

 

Basically the vaccine is still in a trial testing phase and people are not interested in being a lab rat. At least the smart ones are not. Funny how the sheep just follow what big government says.

 

 

yeah it seems insane that it's beeing pushed already and covid has been monstrously blown out of proportion anyway, there's no way in hell I'm getting that vaccine

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"...to protect against health-care seeking behavior, we calculated for each patient the number of days of care (DOC) as the number of days between the last and first office visits. Importantly, DOC is the range from first to last recorded visits for each patient and is not expected to be influenced overall by healthcare seeking behavior."

Just glanced through it and I don't get this part. Why would DOC protect against healthcare-seeking behavior?

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Hello again, Inq.

Thrall to the Wire of Self-Excited Circuit.
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chai said:

yeah it seems insane that it's beeing pushed already and covid has been monstrously blown out of proportion anyway, there's no way in hell I'm getting that vaccine

It isn't blown out of proportion, this virus mutate and spreads rapidly. Lethal for the vulnerable part of population. the virus can probably kill globally 50-100 million people in a decade. The people who are 70+ or vulnerable should take the vaccine

Most states are not reacting properly. too many right wing fucking lunatics like Trump and Bolsonaro around.

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I hear you get sick 1-2 days or so and then you're fine. 

That's what I hear with my big chimp ears. 

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chai said:

yeah it seems insane that it's beeing pushed already and covid has been monstrously blown out of proportion anyway, there's no way in hell I'm getting that vaccine

It isn't blown out of proportion, this virus mutate and spreads rapidly. Lethal for the vulnerable part of population. the virus can probably kill globally 50-100 million people in a decade. The people who are 70+ or vulnerable should take the vaccine

Most states are not reacting properly. too many right wing fucking lunatics like Trump and Bolsonaro around.

 Hey fucking sheep idiot. Trump has been pushing for people take the vaccine from the start.

FEAR! FEAR! FEAR! FEAR! FEAR! FEAR!
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"...to protect against health-care seeking behavior, we calculated for each patient the number of days of care (DOC) as the number of days between the last and first office visits. Importantly, DOC is the range from first to last recorded visits for each patient and is not expected to be influenced overall by healthcare seeking behavior."

Just glanced through it and I don't get this part. Why would DOC protect against healthcare-seeking behavior?

it's related to the time in care between the first visit following an event and the last visit pertaining to that same event. as in the total number of days between and not the number of visits between, in which case it's protective relative to listing total visits. like in the case that 2 people with the same negative event might come a couple of times vs every day until it abates

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