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I believe most people have some intrinsic idea about what should be, and what shouldn't be. They might not state it, or be aware of it. It's just that they have this image of how the world should be. 

-what friends should be

-what job they are doing should be

-what a relationship should be

-what their hobbies should be

And so they get this idea in their head of who they wanna be. Most people are bad at being self aware so their whole lives they just go along melding with this idea of theirs. But this is simply an idea innit, a "false self", if you will. Self-deceptive.

Change the idea and you're someone else now.

Where am I going with all this?

There are certain experiences in life that simply shake this melded image to it's core. The reality that what should be has no rational basis and is something that can just randomly happen or not, hits the person hard in the face.

This is where it gets funny. Can I accept this? 

Nah -> delusion.

Yeah -> progress.

At least that's normal. But what happens with a yeah of this sort.

"The world is wrong and not how it should be" .

Well this can be depressing or motivating. If it's motivating, it would obviously push the person to try to change the world. Simply because their willpower to adhere by their "should" is strong.

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I am pretty simple with moral, cause morality doesn't exist it's a cope

whoever deserves something the most based on ability/suffering/ potential should get it, including punishment/awards/ blah blah

and whoever lacks those, shouldn't

 

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What's right is functional and produces positive results on one's life.

Those who fence with "should and shouldn't" and go against it will then live a life of many calamities.

If the majority seeked out calamity, then our species would never have populated and sustained this much.

There are reasons why we associate smart with right, while schupid is associated with wrong.

As far as life goes all we want is to be happy. For example if it makes us happy to live a life of bad business and poverty, then we 'should' be more like Aizen and come out swinging at anything that moves. We'll then be pushed away from various personal including partners that hold the keys to our dreams, and you can even call it right considering it's what makes you happy in this example.

last edit on 1/27/2021 5:31:39 PM
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Right/Wrong sociologically is a series of averages antagonistically responding to the current state of culture. 

Most laws we find reflect intrinsic human tendencies, but those laws can twist as entire generations of people are otherwise pushed to behave unnaturally as an aspect of their cultural nurturing. Keep this going long enough and it'll double over through who's nature proved the most gregarious within this new construct. 

For the individual it's more about how your natural tendencies and how you were raised are in conflict with other's expectations. At the end of the day it's more about fitting somewhere within your self-appraisal and the status quo rather than actually accomplishing any sense of objective right and wrong. 

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last edit on 1/27/2021 5:38:50 PM
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You know TC. Most children think the whole gender studies thing is bullshit and they don't ignore the biology of their gender. Now that's most. ( They happen to be straight and gay )

The ones who think we choose our own gender are confused homosexusls who then grow up to be self proclaimed transsexuals. While many homosexual 'men' regret cutting off their penis, there are those who still say it should be done, and call it right.

Whatever society decides to do, whats right and wrong has been laid down before our making, and it won't ever change.

last edit on 1/27/2021 5:54:47 PM
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It's proving to be increasingly modern to be less preoccupied with gender, with those who are too rigid to adapt making up more of the antagonistic force. 

Give it another 20 years. 

You know TC. Most children think the whole gender studies thing is bullshit and they don't ignore the biology of their gender. Now that's most. ( They happen to be straight and gay )

Care to link some stats? Most cases I've seen with children's opinions there are mostly formative. 

The ones who think we choose our own gender are confused homosexusls who then grow up to be self proclaimed transsexuals.

There's people who feel like they can 'pick' their own gender without changing it though..? 

Most of the trannies of now are people who had to break down their closet doors to get out of there, much like homosexuals of the 90s. When it stops seeming so 'new' it'll stop being so loud. 

I expect us to settle on a sense of gender fluidity, a society where gender values and norms become increasingly outdated and overlooked. Once women can have babies without the help of men it'll be bound to be the tipping point. We may even see legit WGTOW movements as the glamor of men fades. 

While many homosexual 'men' regret cutting off their penis, there are those who still say it should be done, and call it right.

Most people say it's a personal choice. 

Whatever society decides to do, whats right and wrong has been laid down before our making, and it won't ever change.

I account for both human tendencies and ingrained history versus the byproducts of progressive culture in the model I posted. 

I'll also cite the progress of gay rights in the US as a clear indicator of cultural values. You can outright watch the culture change, it's media change, what is 'right' and 'wrong' to say, even it's classification in the DSM as a disorder. US culture has become so accepting of homosexuality that it's outright taken some of Christianity's power away. 

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last edit on 1/27/2021 6:05:32 PM
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Spatial Mind said:
There are reasons why we associate smart with right, while schupid is associated with wrong.

This is less of an upward scale of credibility and more of a bell curve based on the listener in question. 

If someone sounds too smart, they'll either tune it out or assume it's meant to trick them. If you make yourself sound too professorial you end up alienating your audience, while if you sound around their range of perceivable intelligence with good ideas they'll pick you as a representative of themselves. You can even see people demonize 'lawyers', 'the government', 'scientists', 'professors', and other professions that otherwise push less conventional language. 

Case in point: Flat Earth. 

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last edit on 1/27/2021 6:26:51 PM
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Cool, you're thinking like I did at 14.

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Really? That's actually nice. What's the mature crystallisation of those thoughts?

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