I believe it is because we give people like Kanye who just pitched up soul samples critical consideration, or Oneohtrix Point Never, or countless ambient and rap producers. So many genres are based around sampling so I think vaporwave shouldn't be singled out for it. It has many worthwhile albums and subgenres each with their own style and flavor. I think it's awesome music.
What do you think?
I mean everyone criticizes every genre for something. In my opinion the crowd that vapor wave attracts makes going to the big main stream shows worth while, if you’re really into the music you will most likely enjoy the people there too. So it’s nice for that reason... creating sort of a bubble where like minded individuals can meet.
And it still gets the views on YouTube and downloads so if you’re an artist I mean, you can make it in the digital internet world if your stuff is really good. Like Tycho for example.
but even if you’re a small time DJ it has a really enjoyable welcoming music scene that isn’t so ‘social climber-y’ and isn’t about the money and fame. It’s more about everyone just hanging out and enjoying everyone’s work equally.
There are some really cool clubs that do pretty much 24/7 Live DJ sets and let anyone get up there and show their stuff. The places are always packed especially in the UK and Australia it’s huge there.
Florida had a very huge electronic music scene when I was growing up in my teen years especially Orlando and a lot of the musicians who ‘made it’ in this genre actually came from my city. They’re on tour with the xx and grimes now and birdynamnam. Xxyyxx is his artist title.
And of course out in Portland and San Francisco it was huge too that’s where grimes came out of technically, and her whole team of managers and producers etc. But she wasn’t from there she went there on purpose to like get her feet wet with the scene there.
There’s also a huge goth inspired sort of genre there in Portland which is really interesting, we don’t have that here in Florida really. We have a lot of folk and ska. And stuff like slightly stoopid and sublime things like that. Because of the beaches.
Kanye is notorious for stealing track samples from all music genres and not crediting artists, even using vocals, and but that’s just part of a musical style that’s really common in rap and is part of a genre that involves sampling music and then mixing it to create something a bit more hip hop. Some people get really experimental with it like prettylights. But the idea of sampling is literally so old and comes from the actual underground of rap and how it all sort of began. A lot of OG’s did it so I don’t understand why Kanye gets slammed for it when that’s just actually part of a musical style of that genre and has been for a long time.
I think because he got lumped into the main stream pop genre like Drake did, people don’t understand what hip hop is and what he was inspired by to sample tracks etc and how that’s normal. In the pop industry it’s different where if someone steals a track it’s like copyrighting infringement and some artists make a really really big deal about it even go to court of that.
So people aren’t understanding that like that’s the very nature of the genre if you look at the musical history lol
as far as vapor wave goes it’s it’s own genre and with that sort of comes it’s own rules and normalcy. The people that participate in this genre are a bit more chill than in the ‘actual music industry’ they’re often indie etc.
So it’s just a whole different set of rules going on within that social sphere.
Like, if prettylights or chrome sparks never sampled anything, or baths, tycho, etc- they would be nonexistent.
Same with a lot of electronic influencer music in any genre like trap and bass, rnb, hip hop, dubstep, trip hop, chill wave, lo-fi and electronic indie like tame impala...
cmon, even john Lennon used classical music samples in the yellow submarine album.
Skrillex designed an entire software to use his samples live while Djing concerts and engineering music.
but even further back, if you listen to OG rap music samples and tracks back from the DAY. It was commonplace to rap over a sample of something or like, in the 90s with the record scratching DJing scene that’s literally all it was was compiling samples.
And it’s funny because people think I’m the pop industry you can’t steal anything but if you analyze all the mainstream music across the decades you will see everyone stealing instrumentals and melodies in literally every mainstream genre. It’s just like fashion trends you have music trends too. And artists will pay producers big money when they create or produce some background tracking and instrumentals that is unique or cool. These are the real artists that no one hears about and they’re the one setting the trends with fresh and current sounds.
Justin Bieber for example does this, drake does it, etc they all pay someone for their hit music and then they engineer a song a long side what’s already been created.
They’re just considered producers, these people who make the hot music tracks that come out and everyone goes “omg I love this song” it’s like brain candy.
Thats why I have a lot of respect for The Weeknd because he came up as an indie artist in the underground electronic scene online, and then drake noticed his talent for producing the actual music himself. He doesn’t ‘buy tracks’ he doesn’t have ‘producers’ he is the producer, the editor, the mixer the master, the artist. He’s serious raw real talent and he’s just a natural at creating good song after good song like he shits them out so fast. He spends a lot of time hunched over a computer in a dark room but he enjoys that. and all that time in the chair really pays off on the big screen because when it hits the mainstream it’s so different and unique because he doesn’t steal jack shit he literally makes up his own artistry he’s not interested in copying anyone’s sound, he created his own sound and own artistic style and drew inspiration from a lot of genres rather than just going with the current and cashing in. A true artist, and vocally a true talent, etc. You don’t see them a lot these days with this much unique talent in one package like this.
Anlot of is what I call “machine music” which I don’t mind but it’s just has this sort of “mass produced” or inauthentic aftertaste to it that just turns you off from it.
I believe it is because we give people like Kanye who just pitched up soul samples critical consideration, or Oneohtrix Point Never, or countless ambient and rap producers. So many genres are based around sampling so I think vaporwave shouldn't be singled out for it. It has many worthwhile albums and subgenres each with their own style and flavor. I think it's awesome music.
What do you think?
People tend to look at 'sampling' as lazy, regardless of genre. There's also some vaporwave where all they did to the old track was make it a bit slower and faded, contributing even further to the presumption of laziness.
There's vaporwave, and then there's good vaporwave. Even genres of music similar to it like LoFi is less about being "good" and more about being easy to listen to.
I wouldn't say they're high quality music typically, but that doesn't mean I don't like it.
I believe it is because we give people like Kanye who just pitched up soul samples critical consideration, or Oneohtrix Point Never, or countless ambient and rap producers. So many genres are based around sampling so I think vaporwave shouldn't be singled out for it. It has many worthwhile albums and subgenres each with their own style and flavor. I think it's awesome music.
What do you think?
People tend to look at 'sampling' as lazy, regardless of genre. There's also some vaporwave where all they did to the old track was make it a bit slower and faded, contributing even further to the presumption of laziness.
There's vaporwave, and then there's good vaporwave. Even genres of music similar to it like LoFi is less about being "good" and more about being easy to listen to.
I wouldn't say they're high quality music typically, but that doesn't mean I don't like it.
Give me some examples of vaporwave albums you'd consider good.
I just do random youtubing for it.
I did that for awhile but lately I've been doing more of a deep dive.
