I agree with blm the same that I agree with the storming of the capital. Not one bit.
So you don't think black people began at a disadvantage that still reflects echoes in our culture to this day?
I think this could be true but at the same time you have first generation immigrants who come here poor and by the second generation are wealthy. Several ethnic groups have exhibited this pattern, more recent in our history even African born migrants have also statistically performed better on average.
Well yeah, that's not even the same cultural history in spite of it otherwise occurring on our soil.
By comparison, those who went through slavery had children, who themselves had children, who themselves had children etc etc. There'll be signs and symptoms of cultural echoes in their upbringing as a result, and having multiple chapters of having to defend their rights surface every decade is going to keep that sense of division in full swing.
Pair that with those who actually do treat them differently over matters of racism (even the 'positive' stuff) and it perpetuates itself.
Yes, however it explicitly reveals that there is a pattern of success where success is defined as moving up the earnings and social hierarchy.
What is holding down American Blacks? It can't be that they are merely incapable of moving up the social or earnings latter as other brown ethnicities have not fallen into the same pattern of behavior and outperformed whites (the highest earning ethnic group in the U.S. is Indians). It has to be something psychological and cultural but they could technically turn their communities at any point given the success of similar groups. Who is providing the culture and the narrative?
Have you seen how hard it is to get out of poverty? Many of the businesses are designed to keep them down, plus immediate peer groups have strong, formative effects on those who grow up in these sorts of environments. The only way you'd see changes is through introducing new programs into what's already there, like Will.I.Am is trying with intercity engineering programs for children.
I typically argue these subjects through class politics rather than racial ones, but it otherwise applies to many of them in conjunction with everything else that's going on. There's still work to be done if we're to become a truly post-racial society, or at least as close as we can get to it.
I agree with this generally but I do disagree on the difficulty on escaping poverty given every ethnic group has generally escaped it in the historical sense and most ethnic groups have in the American sense (statistically several are able to do it in a single generation).
It does seem primarily psychological and it does seem that one of the patters of success in groups is indeed formative, you this explicitly in Indians recently.
This is a bit Cliché but it seems like the a key thing keeping us from entering post-racial ideology is racial ideology and this is where BLM and like mind groups on the right enter the conversation. BLM makes specific claims that are statistically faulty as the foundation of their movement is itself racial and racism being the key factor in holding down Blacks (this is unfounded given the mobility of Africans and other dark skin ethnicities that not only perform well under the American system but perform better than whites in so far as wealth goes). While other ethnic groups push their children towards tech and stem American blacks have the highest graduation rate in social fields that are far less productive as as such do not generate as much wealth.
My worry is that racial ideology will drag the American black community down for no other reason than faulty ideals of how things work where the focus is not on objectivity but subjectivity. Why are Asian and White students being told that they should learn Maths, Chemistry, Biology, and Physics while Blacks in cities controlled by BLM like ideals being told Math is racist and must be taught subjectively as an ethnic study?
People like Will.I.Am that can see beyond the trees and has a view of the forest give me hope. In many ways the Hip Hop community is helpful in this way. Those who not only make it through the hip hop filter but also break through the music industry filter knows that it's hard work and education that got them there.
