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I am a big fan of “throwing an alligator at someone” as an example of assault with a weapon. 

It's a moral dilemma more than anything because the vast majority in jail are just broken humans who had a shitty life growing up. Having said that, most people don't rape women or commit GBH or murder just because mommy didn't give them enough hugs. 

So what do you do? Try fixing their broken mental programming or let them rot? The latter certainly isn't working out too well so how do you fix a broken human who's no doubt not interested in being fixed?

Look. Athe end of the day - humans are humans, and until we all evolve to a point where our egotistical desires no longer rule our thinking and actions - we'll always have the problems we have today - as we always have. The prison system is simply a product of our lack of compassion, understanding, greed and our need to control others. The same too could be said of prisoners. At least we don't sell them into a life of slavery like ancient societies and African tribal leaders did.

Med said: 

Chapo said:

Progress to where we have? The world is a terrible place in general. I doubt I’d be dead, I don’t even have many enemies. There is plenty of conflict that can be resolved without prosecutors, the whole court system is a terrible joke. Maybe most would have died from nukes because the world would be a completely different place, but if that didn’t happen the world would be a better place to me. I actually support the death penalty for convicted murder, but so few prosecutors would be needed.

Some sort of punishment for very very serious rape (something like randomly attacking someone in an alley beating the shit out of them, and using lube to force sex) would probably be necessary too. But short of that I don’t see almost anything that needs punishment. Even malicious wounding generally isn’t that big of a deal in the long run. Maybe prisons could be used for serious threats to society like the type of rapist I described (which barely exists in today’s society and it’s not because of the court system). Something like throwing an alligator at someone would still be a prison sentence (assault with a weapon), but short of the things I listed (only very serious malicious wounding) prosecutors aren’t needed at all outside of very special cases. 3rd degree murder would also warrant prison.

Jails could be used to house the homeless, but conditions would change dramatically. Unfortunately I think guns would have to be illegal and eliminated, which people here keep suggesting is possible. Theft would also have to be handled in some way, maybe a fine much higher than the value of what was stolen. So I guess I’m wrong in saying that all law enforcement and prosecutors aren’t productive to society, but a huge majority of their impact is either negative or worthless imo.

 Undervalued post on SC. Deserves discussion.

I don't even know where to begin myself.

 in China, the death penalty has been introduced even for corruption and drug trafficking, but new corrupt officials and drug traffickers replace the executed corrupt officials and drug dealers. the knowledge that you will be caught and executed for your crime does not stop new people who want to break the law and risk their lives. to free prisons for homeless people? it's just utopia and your escapism. :) when I lived in the Soviet Union, we had no homeless people. except for alcoholics and mentally ill people who voluntarily left their families and began to wander. the ruthless capitalist system breeds armies of homeless people. :) ban weapons in a capitalist country? Are you out of your mind? the sale of weapons is a very profitable business and no one cares that criminals kill even children with these weapons. :)

The problem is that so many people in the criminal justice system are mentally ill and there’s a lot of people in prison who wouldn’t have ended up there if their problems had been dealt with earlier. Governments think they’re saving money by not spending it on mental health (esp child and teenage mental health, catching the problems when they start) but really it’s a false economy cos they end up spending far more in the long run when these people go into the justice system. If there was the political will there then there’s a lot they could do to reduce the prison population, but they won’t cos that would mean long-term solutions where the results might not be visible for years so no politicians would be interested in that. 

There are some people who genuinely need to be locked up but in some states there is rehabilitate and probation programs for stupid shit like drug offenses. 

I think majority of small time criminals are better off and society as a whole is better off if they are not imprisoned but given the chance to correct their record by doing a program.

But depending on the crime should create a severity of penalty but I don’t believe in locking people up permanently for life and I don’t believe in isolation and I don’t believe in the death penalty as these are all inhumane and obviously ineffective. 

The fact that in house isolation is needed within prison units just shows that the system of imprisonment as it currently is does not work. And just because someone has committed a crime does not mean they should be cast to side and left to die and rot completely forgotten about. 

You might as well start tossing people from the tops of high pyramids and watch them roll down the stairs to a bloodY death, enslave them in house holds or working crops, or make them fight to death in a coliseum. Seriously that’s how ineffective and rediculous and barbaric our system is of how we handle crime. 

Criminals are part of our society too no matter how much we want to just pretend our society functions perfectly fine “if it weren’t for them.” We must create a system and a society that works with all parts including the criminal system. 

progessively. 

I truly don’t believe anyone deserves to die at the hand of law

Wow, med's dad was a lawyer so I thought this may actually be real advice or insight on her part from interaction with him, but it's just her fan girling over chapo more. Disappointing.

Slimey said: 

It's a moral dilemma more than anything because the vast majority in jail are just broken humans who had a shitty life growing up. Having said that, most people don't rape women or commit GBH or murder just because mommy didn't give them enough hugs. 

So what do you do? Try fixing their broken mental programming or let them rot? The latter certainly isn't working out too well so how do you fix a broken human who's no doubt not interested in being fixed?

So far, throwing money at poor areas and schools hasn't done much to help high population rates in those areas. What does have a significant impact on likelyhood of imprisonment, is the type of household a person comes from. Encourage two parent homes in ghettos and free birth control for young, unmarried women and there will be less people growing up in fucked up situations. Chpo says he came from a well off family, so this of course isn't the only factor, but finding social factors that correlate with crime and addressing them would be a lot more productive than just  donating more iPads to inner city schools and hoping throwing money at the problem makes it go away.

Look. Athe end of the day - humans are humans, and until we all evolve to a point where our egotistical desires no longer rule our thinking and actions - we'll always have the problems we have today - as we always have. The prison system is simply a product of our lack of compassion, understanding, greed and our need to control others. The same too could be said of prisoners. At least we don't sell them into a life of slavery like ancient societies and African tribal leaders did.

 In the US we actually kinda do. Imprisonment is an exception to the No Slavery amendment, and prisoners in private prisons are used for labor like cleaning public roads or creating the kind of low-cost goods we would otherwise buy from china.

I think prisoners should be used as human test subjects for medical experiments. Obviously free housing and food for life isn't a very scary punishment for some. Stop wasting tax payer money by putting every weed dealer or drunk driver in, and seriously punish the violent crime offenders 

ImDoingTealThingsNow said: 

Wow, med's dad was a lawyer so I thought this may actually be real advice or insight on her part from interaction with him, but it's just her fan girling over chapo more. Disappointing.

Peach I have heard your opinions before. Employing medical tests subjects. Labor ('prison-industrial complex'), frivolous use of taxpayer monies, eliminating Mandatory Minimums (your 'weed dealer and drunk driver').

What I'm saying is it's hard to opine on anything new in this arena. Most of it has already been said. It's one thing to recount the opinions of others. 

Med said: 

ImDoingTealThingsNow said: 

Wow, med's dad was a lawyer so I thought this may actually be real advice or insight on her part from interaction with him, but it's just her fan girling over chapo more. Disappointing.

 

My dad was brilliant but he was not a criminal attorney. I resent your fan girl comment: I admire how Chapo bucks the status quo here. He’s thought of things I would not have. And other soundbytes that people are offering I have only already heard before.

 

Chapo gives his ranking to the severity of crimes, which I have not thought deeply about and it's interesting. Might be considered to fall under criminal procedure. 

Med said: 

Peach I have heard your opinions before. Employing medical tests subjects. Labor ('prison-industrial complex'), frivolous use of taxpayer monies, eliminating Mandatory Minimums (your 'weed dealer and drunk driver').

What I'm saying is it's hard to opine on anything new in this arena. Most of it has already been said. It's one thing to recount the opinions of others. 

 lol I wish I knew more about psychology and mental illness to comment on your current condition, Med. 

Chapo has said nothing new, in fact much of it at a conceptual level is how the system already works as we already have a ranking system for crimes, the rest are common arguments. 

As for my opinion on these matters I don't really have one beyond a metanalysis of the subject matter itself. Justice and laws in general are built on moral and ethical judgements which I am not sure have actual objectivity. As such I am not sure how to actually make such judgments in a verifiable way as outcomes are extremely sensitive to initial conditions. There could be a qualitative means of verifying such judgments and that is the common way of constructing such systems in seems,  but I don't care enough to learn about judgments within moral and ethical philosophy to construct my own universal idealism that should be applied to all peoples nor do I think myself capable of doing so.