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delora... said: 

Whorechata said: 

I mean, knowingly manipulating someone regardless of outcome is still you presenting an idea to get them to think about it and force a decision over something that should have never had to have been decided over. You wanted to think about how to present it to him. Other people that aren't TC also pointed out that it was manipulative of you to do this

Well, I just said hello to someone so that they wouldn't think I was rude today, so by that logic I'm a scheming little fuck. Also, you can't read, because I said a billion times I didn't want them to feel pressured into my decision which is why I asked cs not to talk about it. Jesus christ your stupid.

 I mean that technically is a manipulation- you said that so they wouldn't think you rude. Manipulation isn't all bad. So yeah, you are a scheming little fuck.

Yeah but you still presented the idea to him because you wanted something, the fact that you didn't want him to feel pressured doesn't matter because you already knew his stance on fucking other women, and you could argue that you constantly asking to sleep with other women and then asking him about CS was pressuring even if you didn't follow up with how much you wanted a baby. Dress it up however you want to or make excuses so you don't feel bad but what you did is still blatant manipulation and it wasn't just me and TC that called you out on it.

I've no idea what the son of God has to do with this but that sounds kinda mean.

the ability to manipulate people is a very important skill in this life. for example, raising your young child will require you to be manipulative or your young child will start manipulating you. :) you can become a good coach, psychotherapist and a good leader of some team if your skills in manipulating people are very good. :)

delora... said: 

Whorechata said: 

I mean, knowingly manipulating someone regardless of outcome is still you presenting an idea to get them to think about it and force a decision over something that should have never had to have been decided over. You wanted to think about how to present it to him. Other people that aren't TC also pointed out that it was manipulative of you to do this

Well, I just said hello to someone so that they wouldn't think I was rude today, so by that logic I'm a scheming little fuck. Also, you can't read, because I said a billion times I didn't want them to feel pressured into my decision which is why I asked cs not to talk about it. Because she was saying she "had her ways of convincing them" that she would "get him to agree" and I didn't want that. Jesus christ your stupid.

Yes it was a dumb idea, but your making it worse than it actually is. It was a crackpot idea that I came up with, didn't want cs to pressure him into said idea, so I asked him, he said no, and that was the end, and I never brought it up to him again.

So I guess, I was manipulative, but trying to- not have him be manipulated, by your stupid logic. I would have just asked him right away, but he was asleep. It wasn't until tc came and told me to go about it a certain way that I wanted time to think to present it to him without having to "be dishonest" by not presenting it in the pushy was cs wanted me to. So there ya go. 

 Delora, You didn't come up with the idea, CS did. You're still not getting that she just wanted to fuck your husband. 

It turned into manipulation from you when you decided to talk to him about it after sayin you wanted that.

It's still manipulation for something you wanted, spoke about it and essentially agreed to pimp him out with out his input and only later when c4 was saying how fucked it was you started sounding unsure

Whorechata said: 

delora... said: 

Whorechata said: 

I mean, knowingly manipulating someone regardless of outcome is still you presenting an idea to get them to think about it and force a decision over something that should have never had to have been decided over. You wanted to think about how to present it to him. Other people that aren't TC also pointed out that it was manipulative of you to do this

Well, I just said hello to someone so that they wouldn't think I was rude today, so by that logic I'm a scheming little fuck. Also, you can't read, because I said a billion times I didn't want them to feel pressured into my decision which is why I asked cs not to talk about it. Jesus christ your stupid.

 I mean that technically is a manipulation- you said that so they wouldn't think you rude. Manipulation isn't all bad. So yeah, you are a scheming little fuck.

Yeah but you still presented the idea to him because you wanted something, the fact that you didn't want him to feel pressured doesn't matter because you already knew his stance on fucking other women, and you could argue that you constantly asking to sleep with other women and then asking him about CS was pressuring even if you didn't follow up with how much you wanted a baby. Dress it up however you want to or make excuses so you don't feel bad but what you did is still blatant manipulation and it wasn't just me and TC that called you out on it.

I've no idea what the son of God has to do with this but that sounds kinda mean.

 

Lena said:

I mean that technically is a manipulation- you said that so they wouldn't think you rude. Manipulation isn't all bad. So yeah, you are a scheming little fuck.

 This is your answer to me waving my hand to someone today to be polite? Such logic. 

Lena said:

the fact that you didn't want him to feel pressured doesn't matter because you already knew his stance on fucking other women

 (I knew his chance on challenge seeker and other women, but he also really wanted a surrogate so I was unsure what he would say, honestly I felt it was a fifty fifty. I wanted to see if HE wanted a baby badly enough to do it, I didn't want him to do it because I wanted one, that's why I specifically told cs not to pressure him into it like she was trying to say she wanted to do, and told her not to tell him HOW BADLY I WANTED A BABY, BECAUSE, I wanted him to do it because HE WANTED a baby, if he decided to.)

Lena said:

you could argue that you constantly asking to sleep with other women and then asking him about CS was pressuring even if you didn't follow up with how much you wanted a baby.

(also my "constantly asking him to sleep with there women" other than cs for surrogacy reasons which I no longer pushed, was just me trying to be funny on the internet, which is actually true. So the only time I ever asked him to sleep with other women, was twice in this entire relationship) 

Lena said:

I've no idea what the son of God has to do with this but that sounds kinda mean.

 Oh the son you like to pretend Hashem has? Bring me a paternity test, and then maybe you can get Hashem to pay child support. 

Lena said:

Yeah but you still presented the idea to him because you wanted something

 Yes, and this morning I asked him to pick up eggs from the market later. Sue me. So basically, I can't ask for things. Unless I don't want them- but if I didn't want them why would I ask?

delora... said: 

Whorechata said: 

delora... said: 

Whorechata said: 

I mean, knowingly manipulating someone regardless of outcome is still you presenting an idea to get them to think about it and force a decision over something that should have never had to have been decided over. You wanted to think about how to present it to him. Other people that aren't TC also pointed out that it was manipulative of you to do this

Well, I just said hello to someone so that they wouldn't think I was rude today, so by that logic I'm a scheming little fuck. Also, you can't read, because I said a billion times I didn't want them to feel pressured into my decision which is why I asked cs not to talk about it. Jesus christ your stupid.

 I mean that technically is a manipulation- you said that so they wouldn't think you rude. Manipulation isn't all bad. So yeah, you are a scheming little fuck.

Yeah but you still presented the idea to him because you wanted something, the fact that you didn't want him to feel pressured doesn't matter because you already knew his stance on fucking other women, and you could argue that you constantly asking to sleep with other women and then asking him about CS was pressuring even if you didn't follow up with how much you wanted a baby. Dress it up however you want to or make excuses so you don't feel bad but what you did is still blatant manipulation and it wasn't just me and TC that called you out on it.

I've no idea what the son of God has to do with this but that sounds kinda mean.

 

 

 

Lena said:

I mean that technically is a manipulation- you said that so they wouldn't think you rude. Manipulation isn't all bad. So yeah, you are a scheming little fuck.

 This is your answer to me waving my hand to someone today to be polite? Such logic. 

 

Lena said:

the fact that you didn't want him to feel pressured doesn't matter because you already knew his stance on fucking other women

 (I knew his chance on challenge seeker and other women, but he also really wanted a surrogate so I was unsure what he would say, honestly I felt it was a fifty fifty. I wanted to see if HE wanted a baby badly enough to do it, I didn't want him to do it because I wanted one, that's why I specifically told cs not to pressure him into it like she was trying to say she wanted to do, and told her not to tell him HOW BADLY I WANTED A BABY, BECAUSE, I wanted him to do it because HE WANTED a baby, if he decided to.)

 

 

Lena said:

you could argue that you constantly asking to sleep with other women and then asking him about CS was pressuring even if you didn't follow up with how much you wanted a baby.

 

(also my "constantly asking him to sleep with there women" other than cs for surrogacy reasons which I no longer pushed, was just me trying to be funny on the internet, which is actually true. So the only time I ever asked him to sleep with other women, was twice in this entire relationship) 

 

 

Lena said:

I've no idea what the son of God has to do with this but that sounds kinda mean.

 Oh the son you like to pretend Hashem has? Bring me a paternity test, and then maybe you can get Hashem to pay child support. 

 

Lena said:

Yeah but you still presented the idea to him because you wanted something

 Yes, and this morning I asked him to pick up eggs from the market later. Sue me. So basically, I can't ask for things. Unless I don't want them- but if I didn't want them why would I ask?

 In your mind you are right, no amount of arguing is going to change your mind because you truly either don't understand or refuse to. 

Whorechata said: 

delora... said: 

Whorechata said: 

delora... said: 

Whorechata said: 

I mean, knowingly manipulating someone regardless of outcome is still you presenting an idea to get them to think about it and force a decision over something that should have never had to have been decided over. You wanted to think about how to present it to him. Other people that aren't TC also pointed out that it was manipulative of you to do this

Well, I just said hello to someone so that they wouldn't think I was rude today, so by that logic I'm a scheming little fuck. Also, you can't read, because I said a billion times I didn't want them to feel pressured into my decision which is why I asked cs not to talk about it. Jesus christ your stupid.

 I mean that technically is a manipulation- you said that so they wouldn't think you rude. Manipulation isn't all bad. So yeah, you are a scheming little fuck.

Yeah but you still presented the idea to him because you wanted something, the fact that you didn't want him to feel pressured doesn't matter because you already knew his stance on fucking other women, and you could argue that you constantly asking to sleep with other women and then asking him about CS was pressuring even if you didn't follow up with how much you wanted a baby. Dress it up however you want to or make excuses so you don't feel bad but what you did is still blatant manipulation and it wasn't just me and TC that called you out on it.

I've no idea what the son of God has to do with this but that sounds kinda mean.

 

 

 

Lena said:

I mean that technically is a manipulation- you said that so they wouldn't think you rude. Manipulation isn't all bad. So yeah, you are a scheming little fuck.

 This is your answer to me waving my hand to someone today to be polite? Such logic. 

 

Lena said:

the fact that you didn't want him to feel pressured doesn't matter because you already knew his stance on fucking other women

 (I knew his chance on challenge seeker and other women, but he also really wanted a surrogate so I was unsure what he would say, honestly I felt it was a fifty fifty. I wanted to see if HE wanted a baby badly enough to do it, I didn't want him to do it because I wanted one, that's why I specifically told cs not to pressure him into it like she was trying to say she wanted to do, and told her not to tell him HOW BADLY I WANTED A BABY, BECAUSE, I wanted him to do it because HE WANTED a baby, if he decided to.)

 

 

Lena said:

you could argue that you constantly asking to sleep with other women and then asking him about CS was pressuring even if you didn't follow up with how much you wanted a baby.

 

(also my "constantly asking him to sleep with there women" other than cs for surrogacy reasons which I no longer pushed, was just me trying to be funny on the internet, which is actually true. So the only time I ever asked him to sleep with other women, was twice in this entire relationship) 

 

 

Lena said:

I've no idea what the son of God has to do with this but that sounds kinda mean.

 Oh the son you like to pretend Hashem has? Bring me a paternity test, and then maybe you can get Hashem to pay child support. 

 

Lena said:

Yeah but you still presented the idea to him because you wanted something

 Yes, and this morning I asked him to pick up eggs from the market later. Sue me. So basically, I can't ask for things. Unless I don't want them- but if I didn't want them why would I ask?

 In your mind you are right, no amount of arguing is going to change your mind because you truly either don't understand or refuse to. 

 Translation: "I just lost the argument, but I don't want to look like I lost so I will pretend to give up in a sassy manner" 

delora... said:

Translation: "I just lost the argument, but I don't want to look like I lost so I will pretend to give up in a sassy manner"

Not really.

You aren't even addressing what she's talking about, so what else is she supposed to do other than step back from it? 

unrelated showerthought:

everything we do is manipulation in one form or another, living is manipulating reality

Even saying 'hello' to someone is a form of manipulation. 

If you heard this baby right now you would change your mind.